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Offline chon  
#1 Posted : 29 April 2005 22:22:38(UTC)
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Hello,

I've the opportunity to buy some Roco AC locs, but they're analog. Is it as easy as for Märklin stuff to put a decoder on them ? And does Roco machine accept whatever decoder ? Or do I have to put the one of Roco, the #10738 ?

Thanks for any reply,
Chon
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Offline Hans_Dietrich  
#2 Posted : 30 April 2005 05:47:36(UTC)
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I don't have Roco locos so I can not help you there. But I put decoders into two analog AC models of other manufacturers, a Fleischmann and a Mehano loco. In both cases, the locos had an electronic reverser modul with rectifier to feed the regular DC motor. Thus if Roco also uses this approach, any DC motor decoder including the Maerklin ones (but not Delta) should do.

Difficulty: Depends on the individual loco. Bigger Diesels or electricals are the easiest to me.

Don't know anything about the #10738. If it is recommended by Roco as an upgrade for those AC locos, it may be the best way.
Hans
Hans ... Epoch I to V, M-track, IB with MS
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Offline Maxi  
#3 Posted : 30 April 2005 16:33:12(UTC)
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I purchased the 69689 from Roco and installed a loc pilot 50600 decoder in it and all I had to do was just plug the decoder in and changed any of the parameters such as the address of the decoder and it was ready for use. The overall perfomance was very nice. I will consider more items in the future.
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Offline chon  
#4 Posted : 30 April 2005 18:19:43(UTC)
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Hello Hans and Maxi,

Thanks for the reply. I think I'll try it.

Is the ESU Lok Pilot 52600 similar to the 50600 you mentioned ? I don't find any 50600 anymore in the list presented by ESU.

Thanks again,
Chon
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Offline Maxi  
#5 Posted : 30 April 2005 20:00:13(UTC)
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Briefly looking on the net it seems that the 52600 is and upgraded version of the 50600 and I believe it should work just fine. I have yet to order a 52600 so I can not verify the information.
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Offline digilox1  
#6 Posted : 01 May 2005 11:25:17(UTC)
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So far, I`ve plugged in 3 LoPi2`s (52600) in Roco DC engines.
They perform well and are told to be an improvement over the older LoPi1`s that suffered from some sort of amnesia when being shorted.
The new version comes with some bits enabled that cause the decoder to store the last speed, direction and function state commands so,
after a short or a power interruption due to dirty track the newer version won`t stall and perform a power up with accelerating the loco
from a stand still.

In addition, the LoPi has the same size as the LoPi mfx so it`s somewhat smaller and easier to accommodate where space is at a premium.

But, all of the advanced function mapping features can only be accessed with a DCC command station or the ESU-LokProgrammer.

Another point to be considered is the different gearing of most Roco AC versions. These are running faster than the respective DC versions in order to match the overall gearing of the average Märklin loco when operating on block controlled layout sections.

So, adjustments that are indicated to work perfectly with DC versions of Roco`s might require some tweaking in order to achieve the same results with AC versions.

Regards,
Manfred
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Offline chon  
#7 Posted : 01 May 2005 14:55:28(UTC)
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Hello Manfred,

That's a very nice aspect you mention there : the new Lok Pilot won't stall on little power interruptions. I've noticed that when I'm running very slow with a Roco loco on some K-switches, the loco stops sometimes. Märklin machines seem able to step over that thanks to their inertia, I suppose. That's very frustrating when you're manoeuvring. So that should be an real improvement.

A last question : does an Intellibox permit the mapping of the advanded functions of the new Lok Pilot 52600 ?

Thanks,
Chon
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Offline digilox1  
#8 Posted : 01 May 2005 19:05:06(UTC)
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Chon,
I`m not familiar with the IB, but if it can access CV numbers up to 255, you`re all done.

Regards,
Manfred
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Offline chon  
#9 Posted : 01 May 2005 20:07:49(UTC)
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Hello Manfred,

It can ! And a lot more Smile. So I can try it and, if successful, adapt the other locos.

Thanks
Chon
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