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Offline cazart  
#1 Posted : 10 December 2004 20:55:42(UTC)
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I am considering getting into Marklin becuase I liked trains (Lionel - O) as a kid and I want my son to get into the hobby. I do not have much experience with Digital Control so I have a very basic question. I want to be able to control two Locos on the same track using 2 mobile controllers (1 controller for 1 Loco, another controller for the 2nd Loco). Would this work? I do not have any older units. I would pruchase 2 Digital starter packs and combine them into 1 layout with 2 engines and 2 digital controllers. Any feedback is appreciated.
Thanks.
Offline perz  
#2 Posted : 10 December 2004 21:13:25(UTC)
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According to Märklin manuals and web site, this should work if you buy an adaptor cable. The adaptor cable is unfortunately not released yet. So you will have to wait for the adaptor cable to be available from Märklin before you can do it. The article number for the adaptor cable is 610479. The list price for this cable on the Märklin web site is 16.14 Euro.
Offline john black  
#3 Posted : 10 December 2004 21:18:36(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by cazart
<br />I want to be able to control two Locos on the same track using 2 mobile controllers (1 controller for 1 Loco, another controller for the 2nd Loco). Would this work? I would pruchase 2 Digital starter packs and combine them into 1 layout with 2 engines and 2 digital controllers


Hi Arturo, welcome to The Forum Smile !
You put it perfectly well, and yes, such combination works well. The only item you'll need is that special connection cable for plugging Mobile Station #2 into Connection Track 24088 (don't know that cable's # at the moment, will post it later for you - it's a few Bucks only)
When buying two sets planning for the future [:p] wouldn't be bad so make sure one set has that big 60VA transformer whereas the other will do just fine with the small 18VA (you can install one Transformer only into Digital Systems)

Best Regards
and enjoy building & playing with your Son [:p]
John

Edit: Well, well - Per has that #, already (such service you get only in this Forum biggrin)

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline perz  
#4 Posted : 10 December 2004 21:23:16(UTC)
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John,

Have you actually been able to get hold of that cable ? For a few bucks only ?
Offline john black  
#5 Posted : 10 December 2004 21:35:10(UTC)
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Per:Smile € 7,50 at www.fundgrube-neandertal.de

Best Regards
John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Offline perz  
#6 Posted : 11 December 2004 00:27:44(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:€ 7,50 at www.fundgrube-neandertal.de

But do they really have it ?
Offline john black  
#7 Posted : 11 December 2004 03:48:19(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz
<br />But do they really have it ?


Don't know for that specific item but their policy so far was reliable (my experience, at least): Everything on web site is in stock. When items are sold out they delete (or mark) them, only to put 'em back on site when available again. Thats's o.k. for me - saves unnecessary calls / e-mails.

John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline McLae  
#8 Posted : 11 December 2004 05:28:57(UTC)
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One IB for 400euro will let you control two loks ot once.biggrin
Two Loks for 100-300eu, and you get a system with more features.wink
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Offline cazart  
#9 Posted : 11 December 2004 08:37:49(UTC)
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Thanks for all the help. This is great - information that is very usefull and it is very fast. I am trying to decide which starter sets to buy. In the meantime, I have been on the Marklin web site a lot and I have visited a local shop. I am not sure if this is the right place for the following question - I would like thoughts about pricing. Does the Marklin catalogue include all List Prices/MSRP? On the Marklin web I do not see prices for most things, only a few items indicate the List Price/MSRP. Also, at the local hobby shop most of the Marklin stuff is priced higher than what I saw on the Marklin web sit (not sure if the Local shop would be willing to discount back down to list price or ideally even lower). However, they do have the adapter cable to connect 2 mobile controllers to the same track. I would prefer to purchase from this local shop, and the people are helpfull. However, the Marklin price is high to begin with and then with a mark-up, it starts to approach Lionel prices! Anyway, back to the main question, where could I get a list of List Price/MSRP for Marklin products?
Offline Fredrik  
#10 Posted : 11 December 2004 12:22:13(UTC)
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Hi there,

I can recommend you to buy the 29820 (in the US: 29821) starter set (unless you want american type trains), as it contains 2 engines WITH the latest type of decoder (mfx) and sounds in them. My doughters prefer these engines compared to those bought for them... (just because they sound like trains - especially the steamer). If you then need a 2:nd Mobile Station either go for another starter set (to get som more tracks) or get a single unit (either on eBay or in a shop). In case of another starter set - keep that loco for yourself until converted into the same "standard" as the others.

I surely will have to retrofit my kids engines with the LokSound mfx-decoder to regain control over MY locos!!! biggrin. Unfortunately that won't happen until after Christmas...

Regarding pricing - as I live in Sweden it has always been cheaper to buy directly from Germany, either by a shop or from eBay. Even if the prices has gone down here, they still don't compare to those in Germany (unless I need a few tracks, as the postage then eats the price I gain).

Then again - I would prefer to buy in Sweden as buying abroad I have no personal link to the seller... which I really lack.

On certain expensive items though there is no possibility to obtain them in Sweden, as I can save 100€ buying abroad...

So - you must feel yourself, on every item: "-Do I want to pay that price they ask for, or should I buy somewhere else."

Some support for a local dealer should be obtained though - as they're good to have there...

Fredrik.
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Offline stenscience  
#11 Posted : 11 December 2004 13:59:16(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum.
Prices and dealers have been discussed extensively in this forum (you might want to spend a couple of hours checking out some topics for this). Although I have had problems with dealers and pricing, I do feel that:
If you have a local shop that carries the items you are interested in and
the staff is helpful and responsive to questions
then it is worth paying a bit extra for that service (my problems with dealers have mainly been around bad attitude)
especially if you are just getting into the hobby.
Also, you might ask them if you can get a package price if you are buying multiple items.
Further, since the US $ is in the dumper right now, local dealers may be being squeezed right now and trying to do their best.
Also, M* quality is definitely worth a premium.
***I thought I would be positive about this for a change-most of my previous posts on related matters have been rather negative because of my local experience. I have definitely not given up on dealers; as a matter of fact I am leaving in an hour to check out a dealer open house north of NYC. If I get a good impression I will definitely drop some cash their way and maybe make it a regular visit every other month or so.
Offline David Dewar  
#12 Posted : 11 December 2004 16:08:35(UTC)
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I agree with Fredrik regarding the starter set and although it may cost more by buying from a local dealer you will have the back up to help with questions you may have etc. Thereafter when you are familiar with Marklin you could look at the German retail sites for better prices. Be warned when you start you just keep on going!!!
David
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Offline plavnostruev  
#13 Posted : 12 December 2004 02:57:11(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by stenscience
<br />I have definitely not given up on dealers; as a matter of fact I am leaving in an hour to check out a dealer open house north of NYC. If I get a good impression I will definitely drop some cash their way and maybe make it a regular visit every other month or so.


Funny, I just visited two Marklin dealers in NYC (on the same
block - 45 street off 5th avenue). Prices are twice of what
I pay my German dealer (or eBay) and dealers themselves were a bit
... scarybiggrinbiggrinbiggrin
But, man, I felt like a baby in a candy shop!!!biggrin

Mike
Offline xxup  
#14 Posted : 12 December 2004 05:45:35(UTC)
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My guess is that the cost of maintaining a shop in NYC is much higher than Germany.. I wonder how many sales per hour you would have to make, just to pay the lease\mortgage\rates etc..

The value of land there must be atronomical!
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Offline plavnostruev  
#15 Posted : 12 December 2004 06:46:06(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by xxup
<br />My guess is that the cost of maintaining a shop in NYC is much higher than Germany.. I wonder how many sales per hour you would have to make, just to pay the lease\mortgage\rates etc..

The value of land there must be atronomical!


This resonates with topic "Suport your local Sheriff" in
General MRR category... One dealer is in the basement
and wearing shorts[:I] and the other was smoking a pipe
(in NYC where smoking is a strict no-no!!!) My 9 year old
daughter, who shows some interest in the hobby, thought
them a bit too weirdbiggrin. OK, she thought they were nuts!biggrinbiggrin
Offline stenscience  
#16 Posted : 12 December 2004 16:59:25(UTC)
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Yup, welcome to New York!biggrin
I have been to both places mentioned.
This is why, even though I live less than 4 km from them, I was on a quest yesterday to find a dealer that I can deal with.[:(!]High rents are not an excuse for poor customer service.
Good news[:o)]
So I took a Metro-North train from Grand Central Terminal to Croton Falls (a 75 minute trip). Got off the train and literally steps away from the station found a small shop (RJF trains) with M* signs-looked just like some of the small shops in Europe.
Walked in, got a big hello and a handshake. Was offered donuts and a tour around the shop. This was an open house so the local M* rep was there, but I got the grand tour because I got there 15 minutes after open.
Small shop with not a huge selection, but all the basics were there. The owner is really into digital and had a shop layout with all M* locos, rolling stock digitally controlled with IB (he was careful not to push Uhlenbrock in front of the M* rep). I loved to see a converted 3067 and an old beatup Rangierlok running around the layout.
Everything in the shop was clean and the owner obviously into this hobby. He gave me his home phone (he apparently does this a lot, must drive his wife nuts)in case I have a loco emergency in the middle of the night.
Spent a couple of hours there-talked to a bunch of customers-serious collectors/operators from all over the region.
Bought the 29751 start set-he checked everything and made sure I knew how to set it up. He threw in a big M* tote bag to carry it home when he heard I was taking the train.
Price on start set about $30 US above online. No complaints there-well worth the extra. He is apparently trusted to do lots of digital conversions.
This is what I have been looking for in a dealer, and this guy will definitely see more business (and more profitable business) from me in the future.biggrin
Offline cazart  
#17 Posted : 13 December 2004 00:47:14(UTC)
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stenscience,

It is good to hear that you had a good experience with this Dealer. I think I may have one like that only a few miles from my house - do not know yet. Anyway, just currious, do you know how much your price compared to the List Price in Germany? This is just to have a common referrence point - I do not expect to get the same pricing as Germany from a local Dealer - at least not today.

Thanks
Offline stenscience  
#18 Posted : 13 December 2004 01:15:33(UTC)
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I don't know the list price in Germany. The US M* site listed the 29751 start set at $259 US the last time I checked (not including shipping). Online prices varied from $198 (this was the preorder price, don't know if still valid)to $289, with several in the $210-220 range-not including shipping. I paid $239 plus tax. BTW the local M* rep told me that US dealers price (the price they pay)is guaranteed for a year so exchange rate fluctuations should not be used as an excuse to boost the price. I am happy with the purchase and would have paid the list for this item with this dealer.
Offline cazart  
#19 Posted : 13 December 2004 02:55:16(UTC)
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From what I can tell, that is a good price - at least in the USA. I saw this starter set at only 1 of the 2 local Dealers that I visited this weekend and the price was significantly higher!

In another thread – Bart (from Nederland’s) provided the link for the German list price http://www.maerklin.de/p...te/UVP_Maerklin_2004.pdf

I think this starter set is listed at €169. Using the current exchange rate of 1.32 $/€, this would imply a price of $223 USD. Since the USD has devalued vz the Euro, the same Euro price about a year ago would have been apox 9% lower in the US - $203 USD.

What I find interesting is that as you point out, the Märklin web site has a US ‘list’ price of $259 – higher than either $202 or $223 which would be the German price quoted in USD depending on which exchange rate you choose. Either way, Märklin expects a premium price in the US. In today’s world with global information and sophisticated customers and the Internet, it is not a surprise that many customers in the US will pursue other options, rather than buying from authorized Dealers in the US. As Märklin’s current policies for the US market and the exchange rate exacerbate this situation, Märklin may find it increasingly difficult to compete in the US.

I hope not, since I would like to have strong local Dealers, and I would like Märklin to become more successful, not less so.
Offline McLae  
#20 Posted : 13 December 2004 18:58:49(UTC)
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RJF is a good dealer. Even online, I have had no problems from Texas. I bought my first IB from him, and several adapters and things since. When I push IB, I am also pushing RJF as US Dealer.
[:p]wink

Good dealers do good business, as customers are happy and buy more. (Darwin at work herewink)
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