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Offline jocoyn  
#1 Posted : 15 January 2004 02:40:20(UTC)
jocoyn


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Ok, in the dark ages and looking at delta sets and see an older controller the 6604 and the newer 66045

Is there a significant difference between these controllers? I have a 6646 transformer (29176 set). We are starting in the low end with a small [110 x 310cm layout] and know that will give us cheap cars and locos for the grandkids with good track and if we get really into this will go digital later....

But trying to figure out relative value -- I am figuring if I can get starter sets near retail for the tracks I am doing ok (as long as it is C track) unless there are better budget suggestions for the cost cautious beginner.

Thanks in advance
Nancy - slowly Building Southern Appalachians USA mountain layout
Offline Webmaster  
#2 Posted : 15 January 2004 02:56:03(UTC)
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66045 can switch the F0 (lights) function on older digital loks (6080-6090 decoders) to "on", and can put out the full 45 VA "juice" as the 6021 can to the tracks, if you have the proper transformer for it. The 6604 can only put out max 30 VA and does not have that loco lights on/off function.

What it practically means is that you can run one lok less simultaneously with the 6604 due to power limitations, as well as older digital loks will always run with lights off... Newer digital locos (60901 decoder + C-sine) will run with lights on. Delta locos will have working lights in either case...

The 6646 transformer is able to supply about 30 VA, so from that viewpoint, there would be no difference except the lights function.
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#3 Posted : 15 January 2004 08:58:40(UTC)
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I don't think you are correct Juhan - I think the 66045 has as much (or little) power as the 6604. But I don't know for sure.

The "function" think is for sure, and it must surely be better comfort in having the speed dial and the loco selector in the same unit.

Still, I wouldn't regard these differences very significant. The Delta controls are both rather limited; most important is that they don't allow f1-f4 handling, and are not extendable for turunouts, computer interface and the like. So my advice is to select the set with the TRAINS you like best; and plan for an upgrade to a better controller sooner or later (currently I would suggest Uhlenbrock Daisy, I always do, but let's see what Märklin will reveal this weekend).

Regards,
Lars
Offline Charlie  
#4 Posted : 16 January 2004 19:54:45(UTC)
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I have seen the new Delta starter set for under $230 here in the USA.Cool

Here is why I think that would be an excellent way to go:

Comes with the $100 plus transformer that will always be of use, also in digital operation. It is the same transformer as in the most expensive $1500 plus Big Boy digital set.

Comes with a very nice, telex equipped, Delta loco that will work in Digital operation, and offers a lot of play value because of the remote uncoupling feature.

Comes with many extra cars, lots of fun for the kids, comes with lots of C-track, always handy, even comes with a full line Marklin Catalog.

Comes with a new Delta 4f digital controller, to me the best way to get younger kids into Digital.

I think the track, locomotive and transformer alone will set you back $300, when purchased seperately.

I think it is a bargain. I even know where to get them that cheap...[:p]


Charlie
Offline T44  
#5 Posted : 16 January 2004 22:31:11(UTC)
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Hi Charlie,
it sounds great. Do you know the p/n of this startkit?

Best regards
Offline Charlie  
#6 Posted : 17 January 2004 00:45:21(UTC)
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It is the 29538 set. In Europe it would be a 29537...
Offline varun  
#7 Posted : 07 February 2004 22:22:36(UTC)
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We bought a 29206 DELTA starter set a few years ago. This I year we finally bought a DELTA controller since the starter set didn't come with one ... but I can't figure out how to get to the delta module inside the DB 89006 steam locomotive. This one has a plastic top but a metal frame. There are no obvious screws for me to remove. Any suggestions?
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#8 Posted : 08 February 2004 00:13:43(UTC)
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I don't know this loco. But it's fairly common for Märklin to have have a removable top of one of the steam domes, and under it, a screw. But plastic tops might also be snapped on. If it were a Trix model, the buffers should often be removed; but I don't think it is. Surely you can't find the leaflet describing it, bypacked in the start pack? It normally describes both the open procedure, and the setting of the adress.

/Lars
Offline Webmaster  
#9 Posted : 08 February 2004 01:26:34(UTC)
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There should be a visible screw at the top on one of the boiler domes, since it is the common 3000 loco... At least it is so on all 3000's I have seen. Maybe a redesign has been made to hide the screw but then one of the boiler domes should come off quite easily...
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Offline alonso231gery  
#10 Posted : 08 February 2004 01:36:34(UTC)
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i have the 29816 i paid 300 euros
and i have an excellent metal steam loco which will be converted to digital i have the very expensive rotary crane
4 marvelous wagons a trafo
and a useless delta control
not to mention the rails
i was intenting to buy the ice delta set but the new digital set
cancelled that purchase

by the way Lars i have visited your site
very good one but i wish u had pics from all of your locos
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Offline Thomas Wieser  
#11 Posted : 08 February 2004 14:32:29(UTC)
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Hello!
I think that there is a bigger difference between the 6604 delta control and the newer 66045 delta control 4f then only the light function. Th 6604 gave me not the best running with my 60901 equipped locos. The acceleration and braking delay did not working as smooth as with the 6021. The locos will slow down until they run slow and then stop suddenly. With the newer 66045 the locos will get slower and slower and stop smooth.
Anybody out there who has 6090/1/3 equipped locos and has not yet decided wether to go Intellibox or 6021 or Märklin Systems should change now from 6604 to 66045.
For a very small investment (ebay.....) one gets better running and light on/off.
Thomas
Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#12 Posted : 08 February 2004 15:07:11(UTC)
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Hi Thomas,
I agree with you about costs of 66045 compared to IB, but when you go beyond 4 Loks, Delta Controls become limited.
The reason of the abrupt stop when you use 6604 could be the way it shuts power off. After you set speed to zero for all Loks, Delta cuts power off in 2 seconds. If you have a longer delay set in your 6090s, they go out of power before they stop. Maybe the new 66045 work in a different way.
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Jorge Vilarrubí
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Offline varun  
#13 Posted : 09 February 2004 22:51:11(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
<br />There should be a visible screw at the top on one of the boiler domes, since it is the common 3000 loco... At least it is so on all 3000's I have seen. Maybe a redesign has been made to hide the screw but then one of the boiler domes should come off quite easily...


Thanks much ... yes there was a screw in the boiler dome that was connecting the plastic top to the frame. Smile
Offline kgsjoqvist  
#14 Posted : 10 February 2004 09:45:39(UTC)
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Another difference between the 6604 and 66045 is that you have the speed regulator on the same box as the loco selector with the 66045. This means you can hide the trafo and only have one box visible next to your layout. A bit surprising that Märklin even bothered to release the 66045, but I suppose it was a desperate move to keep customers from using a cheaper digital set from other brands. Delta is really a crippled system!
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