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Offline Frostie  
#1 Posted : 19 November 2003 02:29:41(UTC)
Frostie

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Picked up this locomotive from my dealer this morning. I really like it even though I had heard the rumor that it was manufactured in China. When I examined the box, it had the standard "Made in Germany" printed on the bottom. Does anybody know if this locomotive was manufactured in Germany or in China ?? If it was manufactured in China - then it should be fully disclosed, and marklin USA could be subject to legal issues.

I really like the set up of the functions, the bell sounding when you are in "switching control F4" seems like a good idea to me. However there are not any "reverse lighting" that I can see and I happen to like reverse lighting.

Does anyone know the prototypical maximum speed ?? I want to calibrate all of my locomotives when I can ever afford a test track.

Otherwise a very good locomotive. SmileSmile
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Offline 7gauges  
#2 Posted : 19 November 2003 05:24:16(UTC)
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That should read assembled in Germany from mostly Chinese parts (from the Bachmann factory) ... quite similar to the Bachmann (sorry I mean, Marklin) Harry Potter set.

The whole thing stinks ... trains from Hungary, and plastic structures from Denmark are one thing, but to label something made in Germany when the bulk of the product is actually manufactured in outer Mongolia is pretty poor.

But then I suppose the digital decoders are unlikely to be of totally German orogin ... got to love this globalisation.

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Offline Bill  
#3 Posted : 20 November 2003 04:24:59(UTC)
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Like I said recently a new piece of rolling stock I have from Marklin was missing the "Made in Germany" signature on the box and on the car itself...just a little blank space over "Marklin."

How much of this Marklin production is making the shift? Actually - I could tell no quality difference in the German piece versus the Chinese piece. Still though, I kind of liked the fact when a Marklin item was truly made in Germany.



Offline jeehring  
#4 Posted : 20 November 2003 05:33:46(UTC)
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hello all ,
have you ever seen a die cast metal lock coming from Bachmann factory in China ?The internet is a propitious place for all kind or rumours , but.....there is a world between rumour and reality . And reality always has explanations....
The rumour comes from one fact : a 20 US boxcars set from TRIX . This set has been made in China specially for US market( 15 boxcars + 5 hoppers ).There are very specific reasons for that . It has been explain to me by someone working with them . My English is too poor to explain all in details , I'll try next time ...But I can assure you this set was stamped " made in China " on each boxes . I have bought some of these boxcars !****
To produce a standardized boxcar ( mounted with RP 25 wheels + Kadee couplers ) in 15 liveries , needs an adapted production line if you want it at a competitive price on the US market .
German workers from Marklin take pride of their foundry and metal castings....and they're right !!

About Harry Potter set ,it's a Warner product at a Marklin sauce ! I heard that Warner might have dealt with Lima - Rivarossi group , first ! ( don't forget they have been collaborating with Bachmann , and they produce in China too - never more than 200 hundred workers in Italy these last three years - by comparison with 2100 workers in German Marklin units ) . But Lima group has been in bad situation for a moment and they went into liquidation in June 2003 ( At this time they were only 80 workers at Vicenza in Italy . and about 25 persons for management - at an other place )
BY

**** one is wearing an asymetrical livery , I like it....
Offline jeehring  
#5 Posted : 20 November 2003 06:02:27(UTC)
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TRIX boxcars have been made from original Marklin moulds sent to China . Comparing to original " Pacific fruits " from Marklin , it's not exactly the same plastic material...and underframe is engraved "Marklin" in one case , "Trix" in the other case...the "made in China " stamp is on the box .
Hope I can give you some details later...
bye
Offline Tim Hale  
#6 Posted : 25 November 2003 15:45:19(UTC)
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Joined: 03/11/2003(UTC)
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Location: Sherborne, Dorset
The Bachmann new 4-6-0 is almost all metal (just like my Trix BR96) however before this comes as a big surprise why not look at my thread on Modelling in 2028 in the general discussions. Although my thread was written two years ago and only recently transferred to this site, it is frightening how many of my predictions are coming true.

I doubt, if there will be any mainstream manufacturer of model railway products still producing production parts in Europe beyond 2015 let alone 2028. Even at the high end of the market, almost all production of brass locomotives is based in the Far East whilst it does make commercial common sense for high quantity low end items such as Maerklin and Fleischmann.

The only remaining producers will be low quantity, high quality cottage-style industries such as Weinert, Henke, Fuchs etc. If you want to see the future, look at the Britsh market, all the production of the big manufacturers are based in the Far East but there is a thriving small cottage industry which dominates the high quality market.

Maybe you won't like it but the only constant in life is change and times are changing.

Tim

Offline xxup  
#7 Posted : 25 November 2003 22:00:37(UTC)
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I think that a company that is still in operation after 140 years is unlikely to shift its entire manufacturing operation to places like China. I do agree that it will seek external production of its non-core products like the electronic components.

In another thread we see that the Marklin annual report recognises (true or otherwise) that a majority of its customers are from Germany. Made in "your country" is a very powerful marketing tool. In Australia, a popular local biscuit manufacturer was taken over by a US giant. The result was a new competitor appeared in the marketplace with a huge made in Australia logo, their business has grown so rapidly they can't fill orders.. My family certainly stopped buying the US giant's biscuits and we go without biscuits when the new product is not available on the shelves!

Marklin is not cheap and is not seen in the marketplace as a "fad" toy maker. If the cost of manufacturing increases in Germany, then it will increase its prices.. In Australia, I pay $600 for a Swiss 460 loco, when it goes to $700 I will still buy the product.. Hornby on the other hand is only in the $200 price range and I won't even consider the product.

Post-war Japan used to be the place to make "cheap" toys and other goods. This economy boomed with the massive investment from overseas corporations and eventually it became too expensive. The "cheap" place for the late 20th century is China, but this economy is rapidy booming and will eventually it also will become too expensive. Where next and at what cost to the parent country's economy?
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