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Monique78		#1 Posted : 05 November 2003 02:42:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 67 Location: ,		Hi guys, I decided to upgrade from Delta and buy a digital starter-set. My dealer here has two types of sets, one is 29855 (18.4 steam loco and E40 diesel) and the other is 29856 (Cargo Sprinter and BR 101 electric loco). Now he claims I should get the 29856 with the CargoSprinter because it is a "rare starter set" which, according to him, "was only produced for a short time and is not available anymore", whereas he says the 29855 is a "regular set" and is to be had everywhere. Price is the same. Is he correct or is it just sales talk? I would be most grateful for any advice regarding which starter set to get.
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KLB		#2 Posted : 05 November 2003 02:51:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2001(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		Hi Moniquue,all Say BS[:(!]
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franciscohg		#3 Posted : 05 November 2003 04:00:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		sorry for the ignorance: What is BS????[:0] Bye Francisco
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Charlie		#4 Posted : 05 November 2003 05:29:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 707 Location: Texas, USA		Euhh... Francisco, BS is short for Bulls**t Monique78, get the set you like best. But your dealer is correct, the Cargo Sprinter set is rare, or at least, it hasn't been available for at least a year, if not longer, at the factory. I am positive there are very few of the Cargo Sprinter sets left at retailers. Charlie
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Chris Vella		#5 Posted : 05 November 2003 09:25:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Monique, From the way your dealer has spoken to you it seems that he has both starter sets in stock. So it is worth considering the rarer of the both, you never know it might be worth more in the future Cheers Chris
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Thanos		#6 Posted : 05 November 2003 09:35:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		I wouldn't buy the Cargo Sprinter set even if it was the last left in the world. There are much better sets to choose from and the 29855 is an excellent choice.
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Noel Loganathan		#7 Posted : 05 November 2003 09:41:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 297 Location: Brisbane, QLD		G'day Monique The view is - what is your preference? Chris is correct in asserting that the Cargo Sprinter is a one-of item and may not be available easily. A word of caution - try to keep speeds within acceptable limits - CCCs mate. Cheers for now Noel
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kgsjoqvist		#8 Posted : 05 November 2003 10:16:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		If you like the Cargo Sprinter - Go for it! Personally I find it a bit more interesting to have "normal" freight trains - shunting is much more interesting than just driving. Whatever you choose, think twice before you choose an era and a theme! But a digital starter set is good value for money. /K-G
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Webmaster		#9 Posted : 06 November 2003 01:24:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Monique, First of all, I second Kevin's statement... Märklin has not sold as many as they want of the Cargo Sprinter, so they stuffed it into a starter set available from their "Screen shop" which basically is a kinda "clearance sale" of unsold items they have in their shelves... I would not be surprised if it reappears in another set later on... So, buy the set you like best - may it be the one with a steamer or the one with the odd Cargo Sprinter. Don't listen to the salesman talk, he's probably trying to unload that set and sees a "newcomer into digital" as a gullible victim for it. Do you have catenary? Which e-lok looks best, E40 or E101? E101 in my eyes, but the passenger coaches with the steamer would outweigh this in my eyes too... I'd go for the "standard" 29855 set myself, but that is a matter of personal preferences... Tough decision, follow your gut feeling...
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jcegido		#10 Posted : 06 November 2003 02:20:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 335 Location: Madrid, Madrid		Hi Monique, Which one do you prefer? I personally, as some of our friends, prefer 29855. Actually, I bought one of these only to have the 18.4, the E40 and a new 6021. By the way, I bought it from one of the german online shops for 500€, payed by credit card and had it in three days in Spain ( I tell you this cause this info can be useful to compare with your dealer). And the last thing, as Juhan says I think Cargo Sprinter is a set that hasn´t become a very popular model, in my nearest dealer I´ve seen at least two of them this very afternoon, and they have been there since a year ago.....
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franciscohg		#11 Posted : 06 November 2003 03:03:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Well, i thought it maybe something like that (BS), but not being a natural born english speaker i was not sure.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
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kgsjoqvist		#12 Posted : 06 November 2003 14:23:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		And of course a very important factor in choosing a starter set is your "era" - or what period of time you want to reflect. Cargo Sprinter is a 1990's item, and so is BR 101. E40 and 18.4 puts you back to the 1950's - where there are tons of interesting models to choose from. And as an added bonus you won't have to use catenary if you avoid electric locos... This all points in one direction: 29855! I bought my starter set with a Delta controller, BR 151 electric freight loco and 5 freight cars 2 years ago. It was only a little later I realized all the limitations in Delta. Then I got myself a swedish trainset (fully Digital) and a 6021 Digital unit on the second hand market. Now I have added a V200 diesel and a bunch of passenger coaches! I still don't know what I'm going to do, but I think a swedish mid-1970's layout with a couple of added foreign visitors. Sweden has had mostly electric locos for many years, so avoiding catenary is not an option then... /K-G
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chris.busby		#13 Posted : 06 November 2003 17:24:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: ,		Hang on, I always thought the E40 was an electric loco. Chris Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kgsjoqvist <br />And of course a very important factor in choosing a starter set is your "era" - or what period of time you want to reflect. Cargo Sprinter is a 1990's item, and so is BR 101. E40 and 18.4 puts you back to the 1950's - where there are tons of interesting models to choose from. And as an added bonus you won't have to use catenary if you avoid electric locos... This all points in one direction: 29855!
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Nuno		#14 Posted : 06 November 2003 18:06:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/05/2003(UTC) Posts: 235 Location: ,		Hi Monique I don't think it is very important if it is just sales talk, the important is which one do you like most. My personnal opinion is that the 29855 is wonderful [:p] and the Cargo Sprinter is pretty ugly [xx(] (pretty ugly sounds great! ). I would never buy it (I agree 100% with Thanos [^]). Cheers, Nuno
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hqstu		#15 Posted : 07 November 2003 01:55:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/04/2002(UTC) Posts: 429 Location: Hamilton, New Zealand		Well Now, if you combined the rolling stock of the older 29845 with the track etc of the 29855, then you would have the sort of starter set I'd get...The blue/black class 03 steamer and the 216 diesel IMHO are are tough act to follow... esp if you don't want to go down the overhead route...
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chris.busby		#16 Posted : 07 November 2003 04:02:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/05/2002(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: ,		The Cargo Sprinter in the set is a different running number to the one in set 37090. The one in the set was only available as an MHI with the white cabs (37091), so this makes a good addition it you are into era V like myself. The set is also the only way to get the 101 in Agfa colours as it was never released on it's own. As everyone else points out the sets are from different eras, so what you want to model should determine which one you buy. I went for the Era V version as that is what I was modelling anyway and I wanted to go digital and I wanted what was in the set. If I was an era III modeler I would have gone for the other set.
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kgsjoqvist		#17 Posted : 07 November 2003 11:27:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		E=Electric ! Of course E40 is an electric loco... I was wrong, wrong, wrong. Probably confused because Monique wrote that it was a diesel. If you are looking for different running numbers, colours etc e-bay is probably the way to go! Many of the items there are savaged from starter sets... Afaik there have been a red and a white version of the Cargosprinter. The red one is Delta and the white is Digital. But this Digital set has the red one with Digital and a different running number. It is actually an interesting model in terms of technology! The motor is placed in one end of the train, inside the first container. So all the containers are detachable except for this one. There are pickup sliders in both ends, and current is taken from the front (to allow for signals to stop the train). The original of course has two engines, in the undercarriage at each end. /K-G
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Monique78		#18 Posted : 11 November 2003 00:43:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 67 Location: ,		After many hours of thinking, and looking carefully in the shop at both starter sets, I just bought the E101 and cargoSprinter set. My first impressions are highly positive. I didnt think there would be such a huge difference between running Delta locos with Delta control (clunky, noisy, jumpy locos) and full digital! Its great. The E101 exspecially, had headlights, spotlights forwards and back, and it runs smooth like on butter. The price was equivalent to about US $560, so not too bad in my estimate. I'll post some pistures of the CargoSprinter sprinting on my half-ready layout soon. By the way, I was quite upset to see in Marklin's annual report that 99% of their clients are male. More girls to the hobby is what we need! Monique
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KLB		#19 Posted : 11 November 2003 01:51:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/09/2001(UTC) Posts: 639 Location: ,		Hi Monique,all, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: By the way, I was quite upset to see in Marklin's annual report that 99% of their clients are male. More girls to the hobby is what we need! "Now who can argue with that!"
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Thanos		#20 Posted : 11 November 2003 11:07:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,088 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I'll post some pistures of the CargoSprinter sprinting on my half-ready layout soon. [^][^]Layout pictures is what keeps us going! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:By the way, I was quite upset to see in Marklin's annual report that 99% of their clients are male. More girls to the hobby is what we need! I do the shopping but my wife is into the hobby so I am not complaining. But thumbs up for "More Girls to the Hobby"![^][^][^]
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Chris Vella		#21 Posted : 11 November 2003 12:14:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/06/2003(UTC) Posts: 275 Location: Malta		Hi Monique, I just managed to get my hands on the latest Marklin catalogue 2003/2004 and the cargo sprinter set is discontinued and is now only available as a train pack.So it seems to me that you have made the right choice. Regards Chris
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kgsjoqvist		#22 Posted : 12 November 2003 15:58:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 754 Location: Täby		Good luck with your driving! My wife is also halfway into the world of model railroading. I bought her a miniclub starter set and now we plan to make a miniature setup in the living room. /K-G
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warcow		#23 Posted : 11 July 2004 01:53:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 163 Location: Knivsta,		I know i´m a "little" late getting into this discussion but: I have the Cargo Sprinter (37090) and I must say it´s a very smooth runner! It can really crawl! And if you are modelling era V it´s a very nice and attractive addition. Hope you are enjoying it! /Stefan
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HueyCE		#24 Posted : 11 July 2004 09:10:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,528 Location: Groton, Connecticut		Welcome to the forum warcow. Better late than never.
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john black		#25 Posted : 11 July 2004 17:19:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Hi Stefan, welcome!
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franciscohg		#26 Posted : 11 July 2004 22:02:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,298 Location: Patagonia		Hi Stefan, welcome to thew forum, good information is always valuable, no matter when.
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warcow		#27 Posted : 11 July 2004 22:36:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 163 Location: Knivsta,		Thanks! Seems to be a nice "gang" here! :) /Stefan
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john black		#28 Posted : 12 July 2004 10:03:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Ya can bet
		I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators. AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only. CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ... Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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rugauger		#29 Posted : 12 July 2004 19:13:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,205 Location: Swindon, Wiltshire		At a time when we are all discussing the "How much?" and "How big?" topics, why did nobody come up with the suggestion to buy both sets? Excuse: "I wanted to keep my options open in terms of era..."
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john black		#30 Posted : 13 July 2004 01:18:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Wuddabe a nice song: "House of the glowing credit cards ..."
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