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Offline chrisisrang  
#1 Posted : 18 July 2008 13:51:21(UTC)
chrisisrang


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<font face="Arial]Hello,

Can anyone highlight the differences between SBB Re 420 locomotives that you are used for domestic services in Switzerland Vs Re 421 which are used on the international routes? If there any difference in the liveries of the Cargo locomotives? Thanks a bunch in advance.

Cheers,

Chris </font id="Arial]
Offline TimR  
#2 Posted : 18 July 2008 14:27:10(UTC)
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If I wasn't mistaken, Re 421 are equipped to pull cross border trains from Switzerland and Germany. They have wider pantos (doubt that a Marklin model will accomodate this), and German railway safety systems.

Re 421 are used exclusively with SBB Cargo.

Re 420 are used by both SBB Cargo and passenger division, which divided among them almost an equal number of Re 420s. At around 200+ loks combined, this is still the most numerous of all Swiss loco types.

There is also an Re 430 - equipped for Gotthard routes with higher tractive power, but lower top speed compared to Re 420. As can be expected, they are used by SBB Cargo.

In SBB Cargo, all three major liveries : Green, Red, and SBB Cargo blue/red are most common.

Gotta love those Swiss trains!
wink

You'll see more info at:
www.railfaneurope.net - no of stock of all major European rail companies & pictures

http://www.trainweb.org/re2/Somm_E.htm - Lots of infos on Re 4/4 II family...
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline TimR  
#3 Posted : 18 July 2008 14:30:06(UTC)
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To make it more confusing;

I think I've seen pictures of SBB passenger trains being pulled by Re 420 / Re 421 with SBB Cargo blue/red livery too.
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 18 July 2008 17:21:01(UTC)
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Hi!

AFAIK Re 421 have one pantograph for Germany and one for Switzerland and also German INDUSI and Swiss INTEGRA.

Here's a German page in Wikipedia explaining the new number scheme:
http://de.wikipedia.org/...komotiven_und_Triebwagen

The meaning of the 3rd digit for electric locomotives:
0: Single Voltage Loco (Einspannungsfahrzeug)
1: Single Voltage Loco, equipped for Germany (Einspannungsfahrzeug, Ausrüstung für Deutschland)
2: Double Voltage Loco (Zweispannungsfahrzeug)
3: Single Voltage Loco, variation (Einspannungsfahrzeug, Variante/Unterbauart)
4: Quad Voltage Loco (Vierspannungsfahrzeug)
Regards
Tom
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Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 20 July 2008 02:20:03(UTC)
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The Re 4/4II loks (as modelled by Maerklin) were built from 1969 to 1985. The lok numbers were 11156-11349 and 11371-11397. The first series 11101-11155 had only one panto and were slightly shorter. The Swiss Express and BLS Re 420.5 come from the first series, as modeller by Roco.

The last series of loks were built in 1984-1985 and were the first loks delivered with the modern rectagonal headlights. This last series, with the exception of one which was destroyed in an accident, were converted to the new designation Re 421 for use in Switzerland and Germany. Hence, 11371 became 421 371 and 11397 became 421 397 (Maerklin 37345).

The earlier series loks have been given the designation Re 420. These loks have not changed in appearance or equipment and are used only in Switzerland.

The Re 421 have had a few cosmetic changes in appearance vis a vis the original models. One pantograph was replaced by a new one designed for use with German (and Austrian) catenary. Additionally, the handrails under the front windows were modified to adapt to German standards.
More major was the addition of the German Security System (Indusi).

The Re 420 have been divided between the Passenger and Freight divisions of the SBB. I do not have the exact numbers of which loks belong to which service, but I will try to find a link for this info and add it to this posting.

The Re 421 belong exclusively to SBB Cargo with one minor exemption. At least one Re 421 was leased to SBB Passenger division in order to haul the Zuerich-Munich express to Lindau, thus avoiding the need to change to OBB at St Margrethen. On a few occasions, available Re 421s have replaced other loks on passenger trains as well.
The Re 420s belonging to SBB Cargo have begun receiving the new blue and red (Cargo) livery. Quite of few of them have also been modified to add air conditioning for the driver compartments. The AC has also been added to some of the loks used for passenger trains.

One of the postings referred to the Re 430. These are the loks 11350-11370. These loks were developed from the 11350 (ex-SOB 41) for use on the Gotthard line. They have a modified motor yielding greater traction but limiting the top speed to 125km/h. These loks should also be repainted in the Cargo livery.

A good site with photos of most of the Re 420s, 421s, 430s and other loks is:
http://www.xn--jrgs-0ra....ld/bilder/sbb/re420.html

Here is an entry in Wikipedia (German):
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBB_Re_4/4_II

and here is one more useful site:
http://www.trainweb.org/re2/Somm_E.htm

Regards,

Mike C

So far, from what I can tell, only the 34/3734 and 34/37344 models represent loks currently assigned to passenger duties. The 34/37341, 34345 and 26534 loks are presently assigned to SBB Cargo. The 37343 TEE lok has been repainted in green and is still hauling passenger trains. The 37345 is used for passenger services (leased). See above for details.

Roco's models include one that has been retired 69842 Swiss Express, one that has been sold to BLS (69843) (which then was repainted and became BLS Re 420 502 - 69844), leaving only 69840, 69841 and 69845 as the only three still actually in service with SBB Passenger Division.

No manufacturer specifies on the boxes or instructions whether the particular lok is assigned to goods or passenger services.
Offline chrisisrang  
#6 Posted : 21 July 2008 10:57:19(UTC)
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Hello Mike,

Absolutely awesome level of detail. This is simply fantastic!! You seem to be an encyclopedia of anything to do with Swiss trains and HAG!!

The reason I asked this question was because the HAG product line throwed me off a bit with National and International versions of Re 4/4II Cargo locos. There just seems to be so many different variants every couple of years.......

Do you by any chance have any of the Re 4/4II locos from HAG with factory built-in sound? I am wondering how HAG has managed to squeeze in the speaker because Lutz in a previous post mentioned that it will be a challenge to it with the existing frame of Marklin Re 4/4II locos. Thanks!!

Cheers

Chris
Offline Guus  
#7 Posted : 21 July 2008 12:24:11(UTC)
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Hi Chris,

Although my HAG Re 4/4II doesn't have sound,there's ample room left for a speaker.Contrary to Märklins milled frame HAG still has an old fashioned chassis of folded plate material.

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline chrisisrang  
#8 Posted : 21 July 2008 13:08:53(UTC)
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Hi! Guus,

Thanks for the additonal insights - that perhaps explain why HAG is able to offer some of the Re 4/4II models with sound function.

Cheers,

Chris
Offline Guus  
#9 Posted : 21 July 2008 15:19:36(UTC)
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Hi Chris,

I thought this might be interesting:

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HAG Re 4/4II Chassis


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Typical installation of a speaker on a HAG Ae 6/6


Kind regards
Guus


Kind regards,
Guus
Offline chrisisrang  
#10 Posted : 21 July 2008 16:15:13(UTC)
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Hi! Guus,

Thank you so much for taking the effort to show the pictures of the TEE Re 4/4II and the Ae 6/6 with the speaker and the decoder. The setup looks quite neat.

BTW Does your TEE and the Ae 6/6 in the photos have 21-pin Loksound deocders?

Best regards,

Chris
Offline Guus  
#11 Posted : 21 July 2008 17:18:38(UTC)
Guus

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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by chrisisrang
<br /> [size=2]Hi! Guus,

Thank you so much for taking the effort to show the pictures of the TEE Re 4/4II and the Ae 6/6 with the speaker and the decoder. The setup looks quite neat.

BTW Does your TEE and the Ae 6/6 in the photos have 21-pin Loksound deocders?

Best regards,

Chris



Hi Chris,

Yes both locos have the 21-pin decoder.

You most probably know already that HAG provides a 21-pin decoder and a 21 pin adapter for modification of older locomotives to digital.

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21-pin adapter; "Schnittstelle" in German


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HAGs Lokpilot decoder; recommended chokes in package as well

Kind regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
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