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Offline Caplin  
#1 Posted : 23 October 2007 13:44:26(UTC)
Caplin


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Hi,

I decided to have a go at one of these - a simpler one than the one decribed elsewhere here. My aim was not to have a certain distance between the parallel tracks.

As we know the track pieces 24172 are just too short to fit in between the turnouts and the 24188 just too long. So two 24188 need to be shortened to a <u>final length of 176.0 mm</u> each piece being 88.0 mm. The superfluous 12.3 mm was sawed out from the center of the 24188 track pieces (a standard hachsaw was used). The track beds of the to halves were glued together with "Superzement S30" (Vollmer). Additional angle plastic supports (white pieces in the picture) were glued on the underside (might not be necessary). Finally the installation of jumper wires. Soldering of the track ajoining ends found to be not necessary. They are perfectly aligned. Also the plastic trackbeds will probably melt anyway.

Parts used:
2x 24711 slim t/u
2x 24712 slim t/u
1x 24640 crossing 24.3 degree
8x 24071 70.8 mm
2x 24188 188.3 mm
8x flat connectors from kit 74995
4x wire (2x red and 2x brown).

Optional additional parts:
4x 74490 el. t/u mechanism
1x 60830 k83 decoder (my choice)
or
4x 74444 digital t/u mechanism kit
or
4x 74490 el. t/u mechanism
4x 74460 inbuilt decoder.

The result:
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The underside:
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Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline nevw  
#2 Posted : 23 October 2007 14:55:39(UTC)
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A good and Neat Soltion Congrats Benny.
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Offline mascagni  
#3 Posted : 23 October 2007 15:20:32(UTC)
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Hi: Always the professor I have a basic question: what problem exactly does this nice piece of engineering solve? I clearly am mystified at the reversal of the red and brown leads in the straight tracks in between the turnout! Thanks, and excuse the ignorance.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 23 October 2007 15:50:33(UTC)
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Michael,

The leads are not reversed. The inner is connected to the inner and the outer is connected to the outer. If you examine a piece of C track you'll find that the connection tabs always look the same irrespective of which way round you have the piece of track, that is, if looking along the piece of track towards the end connections, the "inner" or red lead is always on the left.

I actually believe the wires will not be neccessary, as the current will flow around the crossing in the center anyway, but it won't do any harm to be sure.

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline sebastian  
#5 Posted : 23 October 2007 16:58:40(UTC)
sebastian

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Why doesn't M make something like this? It would be a neat idea.
DRG, DB and SBB
Era II, III and IV
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Sebastian
Offline frankie  
#6 Posted : 23 October 2007 17:13:42(UTC)
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Following this thread it came to my mind that someone has made all the calculation for specific lengths of straight C Track, does anyone recall the link?
Alessandro
I have a CS1 Reloaded!
Offline MarioFabro  
#7 Posted : 23 October 2007 17:26:37(UTC)
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Benny,

any thought of doing this without the 24071 pieces? it needs some re-work (cutting off the ballasts) but it could be done in a more compact fashion.

Mario
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Offline Pianne  
#8 Posted : 23 October 2007 19:48:11(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by frankie
<br />Following this thread it came to my mind that someone has made all the calculation for specific lengths of straight C Track, does anyone recall the link?
It is on this very website. Look under "Operation related" or click: https://www.marklin-user...ml/layout/LAcupto1m.html
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#9 Posted : 23 October 2007 20:40:26(UTC)
DaleSchultz

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I have a freeware program (Windows) that you can use to determine the fewest pieces of track to make up any length.
You can also enter the length in terms of an angle and offset - useful when inserting lengths on curves or at angles to shift track by a certain amount

Download it from http://layout.mixmox.com/1/calc
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
Offline frankie  
#10 Posted : 23 October 2007 21:42:20(UTC)
frankie


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Thanks, Benny is right 176mm is not achievable.
I have found this one too:http://www.bogobit.de/track/index.html
Alessandro
I have a CS1 Reloaded!
Offline Caplin  
#11 Posted : 24 October 2007 01:14:38(UTC)
Caplin


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MarioFabro
<br />Benny,

any thought of doing this without the 24071 pieces? it needs some re-work (cutting off the ballasts) but it could be done in a more compact fashion.

Mario
Yes, it has been done by a german Prof. Andreas Weigand and it was referred to in a thread here some time ago, but I can't remember which one (wish list for 2007 or 2008 perhaps), but I downloaded his pdf sheet with detailed work description and pictures. His aim was to have 64.3 mm between the tracks as for R3 to R4 or R4 to R5.

Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline Caplin  
#12 Posted : 24 October 2007 01:18:38(UTC)
Caplin


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
<br />I have a freeware program (Windows) that you can use to determine the fewest pieces of track to make up any length.
....
Download it from http://layout.mixmox.com/1/calc
Nice program. I have already tried it. Thanks for sharing.

Also thanks to Allesandro and Pieter-Jan for finding the other track lenght lists.


Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline Caplin  
#13 Posted : 24 October 2007 01:22:39(UTC)
Caplin


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Caplin
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
<br />I have a freeware program (Windows) that you can use to determine the fewest pieces of track to make up any length.
....
Download it from http://layout.mixmox.com/1/calc
Nice program. I have already tried it. Thanks for sharing.

Also thanks to Allessandro and Pieter-Jan for finding the other track length lists.



Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline Caplin  
#14 Posted : 24 October 2007 02:46:01(UTC)
Caplin


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Caplin
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Quote:
Originally posted by MarioFabro
<br />Benny,

any thought of doing this without the 24071 pieces? it needs some re-work (cutting off the ballasts) but it could be done in a more compact fashion.

Mario
Yes, it has been done by a german Prof. Andreas Weigand and it was referred to in a thread here some time ago, but I can't remember which one (wish list for 2007 or 2008 perhaps), but I downloaded his pdf sheet with detailed work description and pictures. His aim was to have 64.3 mm between the tracks as for R3 to R4 or R4 to R5.

EDITED:
I finally found the thread with the links to Andreas Weigand, please see:
https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5530
or direct:
http://hgh-esn.ath.cx/pp...C-Gleis-Hosentraeger.pdf


Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#15 Posted : 24 October 2007 04:19:06(UTC)
DaleSchultz

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I think that logically you should be able to drive all 4 turnouts using a single k83 output pair - i.e. as a single turnout.
Trains have to either cross or go straight so there are only two 'modes'.
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
Offline Caplin  
#16 Posted : 25 October 2007 16:39:12(UTC)
Caplin


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Hi Dale,

This good idea was tried out, but it will have to wait until boosters are on my layout. At present all 27 turnouts are fed from the CS, some with internal decoders and some via k83 decoders, and 4 connected together on one k83 port will not shift properly. Using two ports (shifting pairs) works fine, however, so I keep this combination. Thank you.
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#17 Posted : 25 October 2007 18:45:26(UTC)
DaleSchultz

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if you use Viessmann decoders, each decoder can be supplied with its own power so if you get one of those next time you need another module you may be able to save the other pair.
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
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