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steventrain		#1 Posted : 20 June 2013 19:20:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		The price is 499 euro for 37455 BR45 2013 2nd Insider loco, It is too high price for Insider single loco. Are you buying the 37455 BR45 for 499 euro? Please vote one only.
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Andrey		#2 Posted : 20 June 2013 19:56:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 641 Location: Moscow		My dealer offers 37455 BR 45 at 489 euro + 46081 car set at 189 euro. Althogh I don't have BR 45, I will not buy it for such enormous price. Money still matters here... Thanks for this poll, Stephen, really interesting to know other member's opinion.
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danmarklinman		#3 Posted : 20 June 2013 20:14:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,379		I voted no, only because German steamers don't fit in with what I have already. Expensive. Price but if it was something French or Belgium I might think of having it for a price if it were something special! The only Insider model for the French market Marklin have done, is the TU22200 electric for the channel tunnel freight services Marklin cat number 83320.
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RayF		#4 Posted : 20 June 2013 20:28:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I voted no. Even though I don't yet have a Br45 in my collection I can't justify spending nearly £500 on one loco. I might look out for a cheaper one on ebay.
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petestra		#5 Posted : 20 June 2013 20:43:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 5,824 Location: Leesburg,VA.USA		I voted no. It's a great Lok but I have ordered several new items already. I'm looking forward to my 37957 BR03 which, along with some other items, will probably arrive by year's end. I don't want to break the bank either. Peter
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mbarreto		#6 Posted : 20 June 2013 20:52:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Thanks for this thread and poll Steven. I really want one, but I also think the price is too much. Going slightly out of topic now: I also hope that it doesn't come in a wooden box because I will have the loco out and the storage of the box needs too much space. I think Märklin should design thinner loco boxes with standard lenghts (they already are using their own standard dimensions) and sell wooden boxes that fit these standard dimensions for the ones that want to have a wooden box for a specific model. Instead of the wooden box for what they consider collector models, they could just add to the loco a metal plate to screw in the wooden box for the ones that want to have it. The metal plate could have written something like: Märklin <prototype manufacturer> <loco series (like BR96 for example)>
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rbw993		#7 Posted : 20 June 2013 21:45:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 956		Not electric, not modern, not Swiss - no She is pretty though! Roger
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steventrain		#8 Posted : 20 June 2013 22:12:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		There is also Liliput have BR45 in 2013 new items, Catalogue number Liliput 131733 3-rail Digital ESU sound. See page 2 in 2013 brochure PDF >2013 Brochure< Price around 320 euro, Not a bad price, Came with tin box.
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Bigdaddynz		#9 Posted : 20 June 2013 23:30:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		No I won't be buying 37455, I already have 37450.
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Webmaster		#10 Posted : 20 June 2013 23:35:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Have the 37450, and that is good enough for me. See no use for more BR45's here... (Sounds like "moderator echo".... )
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Bigdaddynz		#11 Posted : 21 June 2013 00:38:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Have the 37450, and that is good enough for me. See no use for more BR45's here... (Sounds like "moderator echo".... ) ROFL!
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foumaro		#12 Posted : 21 June 2013 05:18:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Have the 37450, and that is good enough for me. See no use for more BR45's here... (Sounds like "moderator echo".... ) The same for me too.And i am sure that the ppice will go down such as many models with crazy price tags.
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mbarreto		#13 Posted : 21 June 2013 11:23:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: foumaro ....And i am sure that the ppice will go down such as many models with crazy price tags. It may happen, but most Insider models don't have the price go down so easily as some other models...
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foumaro		#14 Posted : 21 June 2013 11:27:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Originally Posted by: foumaro ....And i am sure that the ppice will go down such as many models with crazy price tags. It may happen, but most Insider models don't have the price go down so easily as some other models... I expect to go to 330-350 euro.This is a fair price for a model like this i think.
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Bigdaddynz		#15 Posted : 22 June 2013 00:32:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		It is a nice loco, but as others have pointed out, 37455 is quite expensive. I don't think I would buy it even if it was at 330 euros, although I'd be tempted.
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TimR		#16 Posted : 31 July 2013 16:37:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		A very late comer to this topic - only started to rejoin the forum after a long hiatus time.... This model is quite tempting for me. I always consider BR 45 to set the benchmark for all of the new generation of Marklin steamers. (It was Marklin's first modern-designed Einheits lok) 37455 - New boilder and finally, a witte deflector -- a nice, significant change compared to Wagner-quiped 37453. Unfortunately, price for BR45 had always been quite expensive, even second hand. Every single model had always been an MHI exclusive model or a special edition showcase of some sort.
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shannon		#17 Posted : 01 August 2013 03:38:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2005(UTC) Posts: 337 Location: Taipei,		I have a 37452. it's enough to me Compared with old mould it looks not much different at this locomotive even though Marklin rebuilt a new boiler. In case the chassis is the same as new generation products like BR 18.3 / 39 / 50 / 58 with open bar to see through, perhaps I will consider buying it.
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Western Pacific		#18 Posted : 01 August 2013 21:39:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		I agree with Bigdaddynz that it is expensive, but I like it. Even if I have the previous Insider BR 45, I like this one better since it has three front lights and Witte-Windleitblechen. Most of my trains are Era III or newer with three light front signal and I have just come to like that. For that reason, I've ordered it.
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TimR		#19 Posted : 02 August 2013 20:07:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: Western Pacific I agree with Bigdaddynz that it is expensive, but I like it. Even if I have the previous Insider BR 45, I like this one better since it has three front lights and Witte-Windleitblechen. Most of my trains are Era III or newer with three light front signal and I have just come to like that. For that reason, I've ordered it. Mine's a 37452 and it cost an arm and a leg. One particular thing I like is its delicate lighting system; it doesn't instantly turn on-or-off like all other models, rather it follows a preset timing where it'll fade away slowly when turned off, or the other way around; lights up slowly until its fully bright. The only drawback is they're still from the time of orange-y LEDs; and two front lights seems a bit dated considering many of the Era III models are three headlights. 37455 with Witte deflector and 3 front headlights seem to answer my prayer. The new boiler further justify the ultra sensible reasoning of having two BR45s in the fleet... Can't afford this one though, and it's insiders only - which made it harder for outsiders to procure. I'll wait 'till 37456 came out one day... though it'll probably be an MHI model..
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H0		#20 Posted : 02 August 2013 20:57:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: TimR and two front lights seems a bit dated considering many of the Era III models are three headlights. Era IIIa had two headlights, era IIIb had three headlights. Having lights fade in and out slowly is a feature that can be set with every mfx decoder (but the implementation is buggy with some of the early "universal genius" Märklin decoders). Can also be set with many non-mfx decoders.
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NZMarklinist		#21 Posted : 03 August 2013 14:27:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Hi All, Well I must be the only one who has ordered it My favourite dealer has given me an extra discount with the Insider Order form I do have the 37450 but considered this model different enough to justify
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3047		#22 Posted : 06 August 2013 08:09:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 13		Originally Posted by: steventrain The price is 499 euro for 37455 BR45 2013 2nd Insider loco, It is too high price for Insider single loco. Are you buying the 37455 BR45 for 499 euro? Please vote one only. No , not for 499 Euro. The dealer gives a 10% discount. This discount is the most he can give on insider or MHI models, according to agreement between maerklin Management and dealer. very often, these insider models are higher in price when sold later in time on the free market. Like the model 37020, the BR53 with Kondenstender. Look at the prices that they demand for this model on the market. The lowest price ist exactly the märklin Price or märklin price minus 10% discount. So have ordered the model from my home dealer, Märklin Price minus 10% discount. This time it is a must have produkt., since i do not have any BR45 modell in my fleet yet.
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3047		#23 Posted : 06 August 2013 08:13:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2013(UTC) Posts: 13		Originally Posted by: steventrain There is also Liliput have BR45 in 2013 new items, Catalogue number Liliput 131733 3-rail Digital ESU sound. See page 2 in 2013 brochure PDF >2013 Brochure< Price around 320 euro, Not a bad price, Came with tin box. Nice model, but i can not get it to run. so, it ist just for the vitrine. To much money for a model that i can not get it to run...i rather pay a little more and it runs with no problems.
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Renato		#24 Posted : 09 August 2013 17:52:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy		Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Hi All, Well I must be the only one who has ordered it My favourite dealer has given me an extra discount with the Insider Order form I do have the 37450 but considered this model different enough to justify Hi Glen, No, you are not alone: I have ordered it too ! Cheers Renato
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poulmh		#25 Posted : 09 August 2013 21:08:38(UTC) Retweet
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mbarreto		#26 Posted : 26 November 2013 14:48:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Hello, Just got mine and didn't test it fully yet. The model look in itself is astonishing. First run seemed the motor is not brushless anymore :( and the smoke is poor (although this probably can be adjusted). The wagons set is nice but not superb. Anyway it fits the loco very well.
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H0		#27 Posted : 26 November 2013 16:39:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: mbarreto First run seemed the motor is not brushless anymore :( The BR 45 from Märklin never had brushless motors. Earlier models had coreless motors (with bell-shaped armature), while the new model has a three-pole DC motor. Users who use signals to cut off the track power complain that this new model stops very abruptly, much quicker than earlier BR 45. Discussion about Märklin's new motors: https://www.marklin-user...n-motors.aspx#post422040
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mbarreto		#28 Posted : 26 November 2013 18:42:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Hi Tom, Right, thanks for the correction. Coreless motors are not brushless (I thought they were). They are called coreless because there isn't any iron in the windings, only copper. They are expensive because of the building process that uses high heat.
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H0		#29 Posted : 27 November 2013 00:15:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: mbarreto They are called coreless because there isn't any iron in the windings, only copper. And that's an important difference: the permanent magnet attracts the iron core and locos stop abruptly. With coreless motors there is a risk of loco rolling down the hill when track power is off because the magnet does not attract copper. But normally locos with coreless motors are highly praised. And they slow down smoothly when track power is turned off.
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mbarreto		#30 Posted : 28 November 2013 14:51:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: H0 And that's an important difference: the permanent magnet attracts the iron core and locos stop abruptly. With coreless motors there is a risk of loco rolling down the hill when track power is off because the magnet does not attract copper. But normally locos with coreless motors are highly praised. And they slow down smoothly when track power is turned off. Yes, although they may have a problem of slide down in a hill when track is powered off ,I really like when the track is powered off and I pulled them gently with hand and see and feel the wheels moving (like a car in neutral gear). The slow down smoothly when track power is turned off I also appreciate. These characteristics together with low noise make me like them, although the current DC iron (or maybe other metal ?) cored motors are also silent enough and have good running characteristics. Specifically in the case of 37455, I prefer the look and functions relative to 37452, but I really prefer the 37452 motor. The sound is also better in 37455. I think the list price for the 37455 was more acceptable if it had a coreless motor, but with the motor it comes with I think it is too expensive.
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GlennM		#31 Posted : 28 November 2013 18:33:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		I heard a rumour that there are issues with the motors, so please check your model upon receipt. BR Glenn
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mbarreto		#32 Posted : 30 November 2013 12:43:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: GlennM I heard a rumour that there are issues with the motors, so please check your model upon receipt. BR Glenn Mine is running perfect. Indeed even not being a coreless motor it is super smooth and silent. Indeed the motor is surprising me in the positive way! I like all in this locomotive and (when I don't think in the price) I am really happy with it.
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Goofy		#33 Posted : 30 November 2013 16:54:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		I did voted no,because i shall build up a new layout nebenbahn era 3-4,so this Mighty locomotiv is too big for the traffic.
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mbarreto		#34 Posted : 30 November 2013 17:58:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: Goofy I did voted no,because i shall build up a new layout nebenbahn era 3-4,so this Mighty locomotiv is too big for the traffic. Although it is not the best, you can run it without wagons...
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jeehring		#35 Posted : 01 December 2013 11:41:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		....FIrst I found this model interesting ... but now I'm hesitating Because of a 3 pole motor ... Why Such a cheap 3 poles motor on Such a big, a not cheap, a probably beautiful model ....??*** Marklin now just want to make big money with lower quality equipment ... I think I will change my mind ... plastic handrails .... cheap 3 pole motors .... what Will Be the next regression on Marklin models ? (The very first Marklin BR 45 had a 5 poles Maxxon motor...). ***I haven't seen this model yet...I'll probably have a look at the train shop within next week...
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H0		#36 Posted : 01 December 2013 11:58:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: jeehring regression on Marklin models? I'm surprised to read that from you. IMHO they started to sacrifice quality for profit around 2005. And step by step they test how far they can go.
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jeehring		#37 Posted : 01 December 2013 12:13:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: jeehring regression on Marklin models? I'm surprised to read that from you. ...(...)... I myself am surprised that you find my reaction surprising ... I wonder what sorts of prejudices you harbor against me (In the field of miniature trains of course....and about my motivations & my approach to Marklin models..). It is a hobby so I associate positive concepts such as joy, pleasure, amusement etc etc ... when something just does not please me, I do not speak, I go my way. I think about those people who have a different opinion & who appreciate the product and who therefore should speak better than me (in a better manner than mine). I prefer to let them speak. Here it is not the same: I'm disappointed. I was expecting something else from Marklin. I talk about my disappointment. Edited by user 01 December 2013 16:49:19(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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mbarreto		#38 Posted : 01 December 2013 14:09:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: jeehring ....FIrst I found this model interesting ... but now I'm hesitating Because of a 3 pole motor ... Why Such a cheap 3 poles motor on Such a big, a not cheap, a probably beautiful model ....??*** Marklin now just want to make big money with lower quality equipment ... I think I will change my mind ... plastic handrails .... cheap 3 pole motors .... what Will Be the next regression on Marklin models ? (The very first Marklin BR 45 had a 5 poles Maxxon motor...). ***I haven't seen this model yet...I'll probably have a look at the train shop within next week... I ma not sure how many poles the motor has, and although I would prefer the coreless, the loco has gret running characteristics at slow speeds. About the separately applied details, some are metal like for example the ones on top of the boiler close to the cabin. Indeed care must be taken in time for them don't get rust. Although the boiler is redesigned, and my opinion is that it is superb, 37450 (the predecessor) is from 2002/2003 (http://www.maerklin.de/de/service/suche/details.html?art_nr=37450) and some (although few) of the boiler fittings are still the same as the original model. My opinion is that the model is overpriced but just because the motor is not a coreless one. The fact that it runs great doesn't justify in itself keep the price of the model high. I say this because I also think (maybe I am wrong) that the motors M* is using now are much cheaper than coreless ones.
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jeehring		#39 Posted : 02 December 2013 11:54:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Have you noticed something: Whenever Marklin introduced a new engine technology they officially presented it and gave us a lot of explanations ... Each time it was improvements, only improvement. Better performances, ....or no need of maintenance, .... (and for brushless motors we knew that it was better performance over time,) This was the case when they replaced 3-poles motors by 5-poles motors. This was the case when they introduced the big C-Sine motor 12 poles ( a marvel of engine). This was also the case when they presented the SDS. About the introduction of 3-pole motors: they did it quietly very discreetly, without fanfare, without telling us anything.....They just did it ...no descriptions, no announcements,.... ...have you seen something ?... any article ? any comments? any description ?
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pa-pauls		#40 Posted : 02 December 2013 13:18:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,841 Location: Norway		Originally Posted by: jeehring ...have you seen something ?... any article ? any comments? any description ? Yes, there was actually an article in Märklin Magazin about a New motor last year or in 2011 but I can't find it at the moment If this is the motor you are talking about in this model I don't know as my 37455 has not arrived yet,,,
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GlennM		#41 Posted : 02 December 2013 14:28:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,886 Location: Somewhere, But Nowhere Near Manchester, England		Originally Posted by: mbarreto Originally Posted by: GlennM I heard a rumour that there are issues with the motors, so please check your model upon receipt. BR Glenn Mine is running perfect. Indeed even not being a coreless motor it is super smooth and silent. Indeed the motor is surprising me in the positive way! I like all in this locomotive and (when I don't think in the price) I am really happy with it. Good news
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Janne75		#42 Posted : 02 December 2013 16:44:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,550 Location: Finland		Hi, I just voted no as I would not pay very high price for 37455 BR 45. It looks very good and sounds must be great, but I would buy instead 37450 for around 200 euro less price. I have not any BR 45's but it has been on my wishlist since 2002... And just that 37450 model . It is detailed enough and has good motor + flickering light from cabin. If someone who has this 37450 or has heard it's sounds could comment if they are good or not? Also is the motor smooth and silent? I have a 39103 BR 01.10 with C-Sinus motor of around same age than 37450 and it's steam locomotive sounds are not very good vs. newer models. Best regards, Janne
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jeehring		#43 Posted : 02 December 2013 16:49:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: pa-pauls Originally Posted by: jeehring ...have you seen something ?... any article ? any comments? any description ? Yes, there was actually an article in Märklin Magazin about a New motor last year or in 2011 but I can't find it at the moment If this is the motor you are talking about in this model I don't know as my 37455 has not arrived yet,,, As far as I remember & after reading you...it may be something in 2011 ....but it was about 5 poles motors .....If it had been a 3-poles, I think I would have remembered.....hum....I think ....
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jeehring		#44 Posted : 02 December 2013 18:28:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Pa-Paul & Miguel & Tom & everybody : I can not believe they have installed a basic 3-pole motor in a big & rather prestigious model as the BR45 ...... Unfortunately Marklin doesn't say anything...
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foumaro		#45 Posted : 02 December 2013 18:32:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Photos please.
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foumaro		#46 Posted : 02 December 2013 18:43:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,420 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Originally Posted by: Janne75 Hi, I just voted no as I would not pay very high price for 37455 BR 45. It looks very good and sounds must be great, but I would buy instead 37450 for around 200 euro less price. I have not any BR 45's but it has been on my wishlist since 2002... And just that 37450 model . It is detailed enough and has good motor + flickering light from cabin. If someone who has this 37450 or has heard it's sounds could comment if they are good or not? Also is the motor smooth and silent? I have a 39103 BR 01.10 with C-Sinus motor of around same age than 37450 and it's steam locomotive sounds are not very good vs. newer models. Best regards, Janne I have the 37450 BR 45,it is a perfect model.Some newer models have better sounds,but this is not a big deal.It is heavy and reliable.If you find it for a fair price got it.
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mbarreto		#47 Posted : 02 December 2013 22:45:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,265		Originally Posted by: jeehring Pa-Paul & Miguel & Tom & everybody : I can not believe they have installed a basic 3-pole motor in a big & rather prestigious model as the BR45 ...... Unfortunately Marklin doesn't say anything... I also don't think it is a 3 pole motor. I don't want open mine for now. Whatever the motor is, together with the electronics it has, it has superb running characteristics. I only prefer coreless motors because when powered off and I pull the loco the wheels are free. Anyway I like a lot the smooth running of the current M* motors. 37455 is a super loco! To make you understand how much happy I am with it, I was thinking in buying another one this year, but after seeing and playing with it, I can't imagine any other that makes me happier... so buy another doesn't make sense while I am not tired of this one )) In weekend I will try to submit some photos of it and 37452 side by side :)
		Best regards, Miguel Mostly Märklin H0.
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steventrain		#48 Posted : 03 December 2013 19:44:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Marklin say this is a normal DC-motor inside this model. It is the version, Marklin are using actual in the most of our models as a standard type.
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Goofy		#49 Posted : 03 December 2013 20:53:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		Originally Posted by: steventrain Marklin say this is a normal DC-motor inside this model. It is the version, Marklin are using actual in the most of our models as a standard type. Which means it´s five pole DC motor.
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H0		#50 Posted : 03 December 2013 21:39:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Which means it´s five pole DC motor. BR 94.5: 3-pole Lollo: 3-pole Dm3: 3-pole The new standard motor ...
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