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Armando		#1 Posted : 14 February 2008 20:47:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		Hello, Has anyone any first-hand experience with these turnout motors made by Viessmann? How dramatic is their "slow" performance and sound compared to the mouse trap "snapping" fast Märklin ones? I've been watching this item since Viessmann announced its release some years ago, but it seems to be always "on red light" in terms of availability.
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Lars Westerlind		#2 Posted : 14 February 2008 21:01:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		To my knowledge, these have not yet been delivered. Viessmann has this habit; acttual delivery times may deviate with years from planned ones. But when they come, I love their products. I think this summer is the currently scheduled time. /Lars
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rschaffr		#3 Posted : 14 February 2008 21:17:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I have had one on order from the LokShop since February 2006. Viessmann still will not commit to a production date (as of the Toy Fair according to Mike).
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Lars Westerlind		#4 Posted : 15 February 2008 10:05:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		To be clear: Viessmann never make any commitments of delivery times; however, if I remember correctly their spokesman on the forum guessed it could be delivered this summer. /Lars
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rschaffr		#5 Posted : 15 February 2008 14:28:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Last "estimate" I heard was Fall 2007 (by e-mail from Viessmann). That has come and gone. The point is, Lars, that once an item is placed in the catalog, one should generally assume it would be available in the near term, regardless of a reluctance to commit to a time frame. It has been over two years now.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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plavnostruev		#6 Posted : 15 February 2008 17:22:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 756 Location: New Jersey, USA		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando How dramatic is their "slow" performance and sound compared to the mouse trap "snapping" fast Märklin ones? It is nice and slow the last time I saw it (year ago in Nuremberg), but the only thing more dramaticaly slower is time it is taking to reach the market... Mike
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rschaffr		#7 Posted : 17 February 2008 20:57:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		One has to wonder, after all this time, if Viessmann actually has anyone working on this project or if they have abandoned int.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Lars Westerlind		#8 Posted : 17 February 2008 22:27:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		Viessmann announced a brake unit to be delivered some years ago. With picture etc. The announcement was of course around one year in advance. I think it took five years or more after the estimated delivery time until they acutally delivered something. And the delivered item had changed it's properties to something better than first announced. So I think it will come, but who knows when. If you are in a hurry, go for something else, but I will wait. /Lars
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rschaffr		#9 Posted : 17 February 2008 22:39:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I use Circuitron Tortoise motors for the most part, but I have a few places where I cannot fit them in, so I was counting on this solution. I will continue to wait and listen to the "snap-snap"
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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kbvrod		#10 Posted : 17 February 2008 23:20:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all, On the old layout I used Peco's and the snap!LOL If you watch any videos the points move s-l-o-w-l-y, but still snap in place(as feed back warrants this). On the new layout, Tortoise will be the way to go,... BTW,who makes good,functional ground throws for DB/DR layout? Anyone got some old K-track ones Dr Dirt
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Armando		#11 Posted : 18 February 2008 21:22:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		I read some news today that ESU has developed a "tortoise" motor that can be retrofitted into the Marklin C-turnouts. This is excellent news! And more good news is that it is possible to install it under the table, which means that if something goes wrong, there is no need to dismatle a layout to access the malfunctioning part.
		Best regards, Armando García
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rschaffr		#12 Posted : 18 February 2008 21:46:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		You have a url for that article, Armando?
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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mascagni		#13 Posted : 20 February 2008 22:17:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 826 Location: Tallahassee, FL USA		Hi: I also saw on the Viessmann website that in the future they will be offering a single unit with motor and decoder integrated together. Is this what you are talking about? If not, have you heard when the unit I mention here will be available?--MM
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Armando		#14 Posted : 20 July 2008 01:00:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		Hi http://www.viessmann-mod...r_nr=2&sprache_nr=1# Has anyone received any updates on the current status of this long-awaited Viessmann item? Their website still shows a red light on it, despite the fact that it was announced a couple of years back. Unlike the Märklin lightning-fast "snapping" turnout motors, this Viessmann one is supposed to be silent and operate in a more realistic slow motion, much in the style of the Tortoise motors. Thanks,
		Best regards, Armando García
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rschaffr		#15 Posted : 20 July 2008 06:48:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I finally canceled my order for one at the LokShop. If they ever decide to produce it, I will reorder it.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Lars Westerlind		#16 Posted : 20 July 2008 22:02:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 2,379 Location: Lindome, Sweden		I think current estimate is this winter, for what it's worth... /Lars
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TomB		#17 Posted : 01 December 2009 22:20:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		Hello. I can now tell you that Viessmann 4554 is coming <u>in 4-5 weeks</u> from now. It looks very promising !! I think a lot of Märkliners could use this one, if it works satisfactory.
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TomB		#18 Posted : 16 December 2009 14:46:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		You can watch the construction of 4554 here: http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/4554/568012255
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tekin65		#19 Posted : 16 December 2009 15:04:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Tom hi, Do you know if this gadget can be retrofitted under C switches - looks much like M* point motors? Cem.
		3 rail: C-track with CS2 2 rail: Trix C-track with Trix MS - K.Bay., DRG, DR, DB, SBB, TCDD Now all eras but no ICE My loco inventory for the interested
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rschaffr		#20 Posted : 16 December 2009 16:39:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Thanks, Tom. I still have a few places I would like to use this.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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Caplin		#21 Posted : 16 December 2009 16:44:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Wow, that is what will look prototypical. Hope the price will be reasonable. For one I would expect it to at least fit underneath the c-turnouts, which probably is the most sold track system. Dammed shame that M* has stopped developing the c-track system. [xx(]
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tekin65		#22 Posted : 16 December 2009 16:46:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Caplin <br />Hope the price will be reasonable. Benny hi, At least one internet shop advertised it for about USD 35 a piece. Cem.
		3 rail: C-track with CS2 2 rail: Trix C-track with Trix MS - K.Bay., DRG, DR, DB, SBB, TCDD Now all eras but no ICE My loco inventory for the interested
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TomB		#23 Posted : 16 December 2009 16:52:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		In Germany you can have it for 33,11 euro incl. vats. The official price is 38,95 euro. http://www.modellbahnshop-lippe...-de-h-0/ein_produkt.html
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Caplin		#24 Posted : 16 December 2009 17:53:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Lokshop price is 30,38 EUR, but item not avail. yet. It will be very interesting to hear from the first member, that gets it installed and tested.
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TomB		#25 Posted : 16 December 2009 18:04:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by tekin65 <br />Tom hi, Do you know if this gadget can be retrofitted under C switches - looks much like M* point motors? Cem, you can look here. Are you satisfied ? http://www.heller-modellbahn.de...nantrieb_2009_DE_web.pdf
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Caplin		#26 Posted : 16 December 2009 18:56:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		Thanks Tom. It seems to fit everything but M*'s M-track!
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rschaffr		#27 Posted : 16 December 2009 19:11:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		That is why it took so long to come to market. Viessmann wanted it to be as universal as possible. I have one on order for evaluation. When I get it I will report on it.
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
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tekin65		#28 Posted : 17 December 2009 11:57:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TomB <br />Cem, you can look here. Are you satisfied ? Tusen takk Tom! It indeed looks great. With my broken German I figured out that it also has a built-in decoder - is that correct? If so, it justifies every penny spent on ... Cem.
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TomB		#29 Posted : 17 December 2009 12:29:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 412 Location: Asker, Norway		Yes, a built-in decoder. It looks promising. <u>Addition:</u> It was advertised by Viessmann yesterday to End of January.
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Armando		#30 Posted : 30 January 2010 08:20:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		The Viessmann new items are already out on the Lokshop site. However, no traces of the 4554 slow-motion turnout motor. Checking the Viessmann site directly it says "not available" (http://www.viessmann-modell.com/index.php?show=shop&search=true&cPath=&cat=&lang=de). What's going on with this company? Instead of wasting their time on those silly movable sex shop figures, they should IMO be concentrating their efforts on this turnout motor!!! Does anyone know anything? I'd like to retrofit my wide-angle turnouts with them. Edited by user 30 January 2010 18:25:09(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
		Best regards, Armando García
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supermoee		#31 Posted : 01 February 2010 15:33:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello Armando, they announced that the test will be done in the MIBA 02/10. The magazine should be out soon. let see if they managed it. I'm quite interested too in these motors, despite of their prohibitive price. rgds Stephan
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supermoee		#32 Posted : 03 February 2010 10:43:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, got the MIBA 02/10. The test of the motor is quite short. Pictures are showing the assembly in C-track, Roco Geoline and Fleischmann turnout. I hoped to see a sample with K-track but nothing On Stummi forum first experiences came out already. The best point which came out: following the instruction manual, the turnout needs to be greased each 500 cycles or 6 month How they immagine that someone with a stationary C-track layout should do this I do not know??? Other points: screw holes of the housing are quite fragile and can brake if unpacked without care. difficulty to assembly them on left K-turnouts. You have to turn the motor to let it fit, but than the inspection opening (for the grease) is upside down. So for maintenance you should take the motor off. instructions are not very clear how to assemble the motor on the different turnouts by using all the parts delivered with the motor. Motor quite noisy. The noise is happening 2 time per switch: 1 the motor brings the switch in position and 2 is going back to neutral position. Sad, it doesn't look really to be an alternative. Mass deliveries should happen after toy fair Nürnberg. rgds Stephan
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Caplin		#33 Posted : 03 February 2010 18:59:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,497 Location: Denmark		supermoee wrote: ... following the instruction manual, the turnout needs to be greased each 500 cycles or 6 month Sounds not good at all. Wonder what material they used. Just compare to printers of to-day, there is no need for greasing moving parts there. They seem to last forever without. continued wrote: ... How they immagine that someone with a stationary C-track layout should do this I do not know??? Train your Preisers!
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