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plavnostruev		#101 Posted : 30 November 2007 15:39:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2004(UTC) Posts: 756 Location: New Jersey, USA		Ron: I am leaving tonight and I very much hope to see Gottardo in action. Mike C: Photo was taken at the Fair back in February. Innovative car couplings a la trousers suspenders notwithstanding, this model looked terrific back then and it looks (and drives) great now. I can only imagine seeing cl. 602 (37606) on parallel tracks next to Gottardo and my eyes turn misty [:I]. Can't wait to receive my shipment of them! Mike
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MarioFabro		#102 Posted : 30 November 2007 17:10:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		I am not the biggest of M* apologists but, in this case, I think that Mother was in the usual situation of “damn if you do and damn if you don’t” meaning it had two choices, both wrong. That said, I think they could have handled better the connection between cars. Skirts don’t bother me, since they are also on the much heralded Roco 1:87 cars. Any such trains look awkward on switches or combinations thereof, weather it is the ICE, the Vt 11.5 or any other. Yes, Marklin could have handled it better but I stand by my previous comment and, if you want to run your trains on a reasonable HO lay-out, you will have to live with these shortcomings. I disagree with Armando (marklin is far away from being junk) but also with Lutz in the fact that our criticism and issues should be considered. On the two points raised on this thread: the Gottardo should have been engineered better. But I am all in favor of 1:100 lengths and other solutions to allow trains to run on R1 curves. I want a show of hands: who has a complete lay out (and I mean also hidden track and shadow stations) only using large radii curves?
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rschaffr		#103 Posted : 30 November 2007 17:16:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		On my layout R1 curves are a necessity. I try to avoid them in visible areas but they are the only solution at times. One of the reasons I lost interest in HO many years ago, dropped out of the NMRA and canceled my Model Railroader subscription was because the US HO scene is so dominated by people who worry about the placement of a wiper blade on a loco or the number of rivets on a boiler that it took all the fun out of it. When I found Marklin where it was acceptable and even encouraged to do a representation of reality rather than a reproduction of reality it was like an epiphany.
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biotechee		#104 Posted : 30 November 2007 17:34:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2006(UTC) Posts: 338 Location: Doylestown, PA		I don't envision ever having a layout without R1. Prototypical operation is not high on my list.
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john black		#105 Posted : 30 November 2007 19:12:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by al_pignolo <br />I think I've the right to write that Dear Pietro - you are so right. I think the very same. That's why you and me and a few hundred others are here - for freely expressing our opinions. And since we are a free world forum no f***ing clown will ever tell us "shut-up" [}:)] Re R1 - I love all track. But cos of limited space I have only R1 and R2 ... [:I]
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john black		#106 Posted : 30 November 2007 19:45:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />I love this forum
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pa-pauls		#107 Posted : 30 November 2007 20:22:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Me too Nikos
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Guus		#108 Posted : 30 November 2007 20:25:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		originally posted by Pietro: Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I think we're at a wrong point now. This is probably my last post in this thread, but I just want to remember that we're only sharing some opinions. Sorry if I offended someone, but what I said is just that I don't like very much this product, as many of you said. I think I've the right to write that. And this doesn't mean that I dislike all marklin production! And if I writed that I like full-lenght carriages, for example, it's just because I'd want to run these! (and as MarioFabro said, it's hard to run roco products!). But carriage lenght is not the reason why I choosed marklin 25 years ago (and I'm still proud of this choice). So please be careful to say "you don't agree with maklin philosophy, go away or change hobby". I just wanted to share my opinion, and that's all. I know that many people think different from me, but I've read too many times in this thread this statement. I dont'want (and I didn't want) to fuel any controversy. Sorry if I did. Have a nice weekend Pietro I feel exactly the same way Pietro. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Kind regards Guus
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Hemmerich		#109 Posted : 30 November 2007 20:31:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando Well if you don't care, why did you bother to quote me and answer? Because to make very clear to you that nobody really cares what you spend your money for - and even worse - you know this! [}:)] What serious members including myself on this forum are interested in is information about how they improved a model (either by doing it themselves or someone else - which could include Märklin) when they felt that those could be improved. This basic good human behavior is a standard (in the (U.S.) world class company I have been working now for a number of decades), for anyone complaining about something that s/he MUST provide a constructive solution to the issue s/he raised (i.e. win-win). PS: You also just complained about it, but You seem not to have even read what Märklin wrote with regards to the possibilities of interior lights for the HWZ.
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Hemmerich		#110 Posted : 30 November 2007 20:36:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by plavnostruev Mike C: Photo was taken at the Fair back in February. Within my picture sequence from the Nürnberg toy fair in February on this forum here, I also posted at least one picture of the Gottardo where you could already see the bogie skirts. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I can only imagine seeing cl. 602 (37606) on parallel tracks next to Gottardo and my eyes turn misty [:I]. Can't wait to receive my shipment of them! You'll surely not be disappointed!
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Hemmerich		#111 Posted : 30 November 2007 20:50:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by MarioFabro I disagree with Armando (marklin is far away from being junk) but also with Lutz in the fact that our criticism and issues should be considered. Mario, please read my response to Armando, especially with regards to my opinon about "complaints". Nobody ever said that critique is not desired - but it should be done in a "right manner"!
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Armando		#112 Posted : 30 November 2007 21:06:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		Lutz: I wished that the problems regarding the Henschel-Wegmann fiasco would only be limited to the optional installation of interior lightning. Life would be great then! At the time when I placed my pre-order with my dealer for the Gottardo fiasco, none of its shortcommings were evident in the new items brochure. Well, maybe only one big flaw was mentioned: that it would be "near" scale (i.e. truncated, guess why?). That is what I complain about: misrepresentation. Had I known about the end result, I would have NEVER considered ordering this Gottardo freak. Armando
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john black		#113 Posted : 30 November 2007 21:31:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />What serious members including myself on this forum are interested in is information about how they improved a model Accepted, Lutz Now - what can be done with that offending wire harness
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dntower85		#114 Posted : 30 November 2007 21:53:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		Quote: quote:Originally posted by john black Now - what can be done with that offending wire harness [size=2]I don't think it should be monkeyed with.
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Guus		#115 Posted : 30 November 2007 21:59:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,616		originally posted by Lutz: Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:What serious members including myself on this forum are interested in is information about how they improved a model (either by doing it themselves or someone else - which could include Märklin) when they felt that those could be improved. I fully agree with that Lutz! originally posted by John: Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now - what can be done with that offending wire harness In my mail to Märklin I suggested a solution like on the 37605 VT 11.5 TEE,or another less offending connection with a small black plug.The latter is only possible with a complete redesign of the coupling ofcourse I hope many other potential buyers of the Gottardo have reacted and come up with their ideas. Like i've said before the model is partly excellent and is disappointing in other aspects. I still think it looks absolutely great on a straight piece of track and or in a showcase! Kind regards Guus
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john black		#116 Posted : 30 November 2007 22:11:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Darrin, you're a real pro in computer graphics. But I doubt this one will sell Guus - most honest intent from your side . Let's wait for their answer ...
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David Dewar		#117 Posted : 30 November 2007 22:24:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		If I get a loco that doesnt work or is badly designed the it goes back for a refund. I am sure not going to start trying to put right faults (unless minor and caused by shipping) I pay for a loco that should work out the box. As John says about the circuit board what do we do with that. Not that I will be buying this model anyway. However on what has to be very positive note of all the Marklin locos I have purchased there has only been one that did not run and it went back. All the others are fine but then I am selective in what I buy. Even my MS still works after all these years. Originally posted by al_pignolo I think I've the right to write that ................................................................. Your opinions are always welcome... not all may agree but that can provise a good discussion. David
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Hemmerich		#118 Posted : 30 November 2007 23:57:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Any 1:87 car will look awkward on a R1; besides the complete weird couplings which have not the slightest thing to do with prototypes. The overhang is inacceptable - and yet there are people out who demand that all HO cars should be like that. The REAL only way to get around this is to move to 1:87 radius - and for those folks and any others complaining the Gottardo "problem" would be gone immediate. So, EITHER accept the compromises that are needed for R1 usage OR change your layouts such that as well the radius conform to the 1:87 scale.
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intruder		#119 Posted : 01 December 2007 00:19:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		I am very happy with the 24cm (or shorter) coaches, as they look quite normal in R1 curves. If the green colour of the connectors is a major problem, why not just paint them black with some touch-up car paint? (Edit Dec 1. 00:05) Or, as Guus said (sorry, John) - look at it from the inside of the curve. I do not understand how a minimal "problem" like this can cause such disturbance. No wonder there are wars in the world.
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Bigdaddynz		#120 Posted : 01 December 2007 00:49:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,672 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr <br />On my layout R1 curves are a necessity. I try to avoid them in visible areas but they are the only solution at times. One of the reasons I lost interest in HO many years ago, dropped out of the NMRA and canceled my Model Railroader subscription was because the US HO scene is so dominated by people who worry about the placement of a wiper blade on a loco or the number of rivets on a boiler that it took all the fun out of it. When I found Marklin where it was acceptable and even encouraged to do a representation of reality rather than a reproduction of reality it was like an epiphany. Hear, Hear Ron. I don't have a problem with people wanting to be 'Rivets Counters', providing they don't hang me for wanting to run a green Krokodil with red DB Cargo freight cars!! Each to their own, after all this is meant to be fun!!
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rschaffr		#121 Posted : 01 December 2007 03:33:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		I have no problems with rivet counters (Nietzenzähler?) if that is what excites you. It is just that in my younger days in American HO there were so many (virtually everyone one talked to) that I felt somehow inadequate because I didn't feel that way and figured I was in the wrong hobby. I now realize that there is a place in the hobby for all and it doesn't make one more right than the other.
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alonso231gery		#122 Posted : 01 December 2007 04:22:39(UTC) Retweet
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MarioFabro		#123 Posted : 01 December 2007 06:48:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />The REAL only way to get around this is to move to 1:87 radius - and for those folks and any others complaining the Gottardo "problem" would be gone immediate. I have frequently disaggreed with Lutz but in this case I fully agree with him. Run the Gottardo on R9 curves minimum and you will not notice the skirts nor the connectors! It may be a fiasco for someone but I stick with my order and will get this model. I even venture in a bet that if M* re-thinks the car connection issue (the skirts are unavoidable and I can live with that in order to run it on my toy-like layout) they will make it so that it can be retrofitted for everyone. After all, that's what they did with the CS offering the up-date to everyone. So, fiasco or freak model, I will get my Gottardo.
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renevoorburg		#124 Posted : 01 December 2007 08:03:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2005(UTC) Posts: 382 Location: Planet Earth (mostly)		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now - what can be done with that offending wire harness Perhaps this? René
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perz		#125 Posted : 01 December 2007 16:44:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/01/2002(UTC) Posts: 2,578 Location: Sweden		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by renevoorburg <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now - what can be done with that offending wire harness Perhaps this?<br /> (picture deleted)<br /> René Of course something can be done about the offending wire harness, and about most other things too. However, with these high priced one-time series there is always a dilemma. The modeller in you wants to fix all the problems with the product, but the collector in you wants to keep the model in its original shape. What to do? Buy two? But they are expensive! I don't have the Gottardo, but I feel this dilemma with the 39700 TEE which could be a wonderful model with some fixes but is completely useless to me as long as I keep it unchanged. The collector in me has won the fight so far, so the 39700 rests in its box...
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jonquinn		#126 Posted : 01 December 2007 19:31:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		almost looks like the VT.11 car bellows would fit neatly inside the gottardo cars. are these parts available as a replacement part from marklin? it would be interesting to see if the fit is close. I'd rather see marklin hold up production and do the change (and the right thing) themselves, but with a little courage I would not mind making a modification myself.
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Armando		#127 Posted : 01 December 2007 22:32:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		Hello??? Excuse me! What is totally against all the laws of elementary aesthetic here is your trying to run these coaches on curves that are intended for N tramways (R1). It's like placing the cart before the donkey. Try having the GG1 negotiate R1 curves and you'll see how awful it looks! The solution is simple: don't use anything less that R5 on your layout if you want your Roco 1:87 scale coaches or your GG1 or your Big Boy, etc. to look decent on your layout. If you use R1, keep on investing in Märklin's amputated 26 or 28mm coaches. Armando Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />Any 1:87 car will look awkward on a R1; besides the complete weird couplings which have not the slightest thing to do with prototypes. The overhang is inacceptable - and yet there are people out who demand that all HO cars should be like that. The REAL only way to get around this is to move to 1:87 radius - and for those folks and any others complaining the Gottardo "problem" would be gone immediate. So, EITHER accept the compromises that are needed for R1 usage OR change your layouts such that as well the radius conform to the 1:87 scale.
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Hemmerich		#128 Posted : 01 December 2007 22:32:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Did you ever recognize the difference in car length between the VT11.5 and Gottardo? Maybe a more intense study of this will give you some answers regarding Märklin's decision. PS: I can tell you, if it would have been technically as easy feasible the Gottardo would have also been equipped with that "solution" (btw - the 2008 Senator will be alike the VT11.5; also due to the shorter length of its cars).
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metpo		#129 Posted : 02 December 2007 00:07:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/02/2007(UTC) Posts: 303 Location: ,		Those days I have been thinking that perhaps the "hole between the coaches" could be improved (I mean: make it like this tha t the hole disappears)... I think if you are handy it is really possbile to do it with some rubber stuff...
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MarioFabro		#130 Posted : 02 December 2007 00:17:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/10/2001(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: Pittsburgh,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando The solution is simple: don't use anything less that R5 on your layout The day I can afford the local sports arena for my lay-out I will surely use ONLY R5 and above.. In the meantime, I am happy to use the 1:100 cars by M* while the otherwise well built 1:87 Roco cars sit in the closet. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando The solution is simple: don't use anything less that R5 on your layout Well then.. THERE YOU HAVE IT.. Armando you should ABSOLUTELY have no problem with the Gottardo since you will hardly see the skirts and the wire harness This is actually the BEST of both worlds, since you will preserve the aestetics look of the train and the rest of us can still enjoy it in our "tin-toy lay-out"..
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Schienenbus		#131 Posted : 02 December 2007 02:08:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2007(UTC) Posts: 153 Location: Surrey, England		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Armando <br />Hello??? Excuse me! What is totally against all the laws of elementary aesthetic here is your trying to run these coaches on curves that are intended for N tramways (R1). It's like placing the cart before the donkey. Try having the GG1 negotiate R1 curves and you'll see how awful it looks! The solution is simple: don't use anything less that R5 on your layout if you want your Roco 1:87 scale coaches or your GG1 or your Big Boy, etc. to look decent on your layout. If you use R1, keep on investing in Märklin's amputated 26 or 28mm coaches. Armando Hi Armando, I want to be constructive. If you still have the Gottardo and if you still want to get rid of it, let me know. I'll give you $250 for it, you mail it to me (CA address!) and you can forget about it immediately. I saw it at the IMA today on a curve and I do like it enough... Interested? Arthur
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Bigdaddynz		#132 Posted : 02 December 2007 02:38:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,672 Location: New Zealand		<h1>R1 curves Forever, I say!! </h1>
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Armando		#133 Posted : 02 December 2007 05:43:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /><h1>R1 curves Forever, I say!! </h1> I have a lot of R1 and R2 curves that I discarded, including curved turnouts if you're interested. Please let me know. Armando
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Tony		#134 Posted : 02 December 2007 09:54:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 726 Location: Cape Town		Wow this is an interesting thread, I don't have this model, but to me , just paint the little circuit boards black and you probably won't see the connector any more. all good No worries..... ( M should have thought of that!!)
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xxup		#135 Posted : 02 December 2007 10:51:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,477 Location: Australia		Quote: quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /><h1>R1 curves Forever, I say!! </h1> [size=5]R1 M-track curves forever.
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xxup		#136 Posted : 02 December 2007 10:52:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,477 Location: Australia		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Tony <br />Wow this is an interesting thread, I don't have this model, but to me , just paint the little circuit boards black and you probably won't see the connector any more. all good No worries..... ( M should have thought of that!!) Yes painting the board works, but I am more concerned about how many curves they will transit before the boards snap from too much flexing..
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Bigdaddynz		#137 Posted : 02 December 2007 11:25:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,672 Location: New Zealand		Quote: quote:Originally posted by xxup <br />[size=5]R1 M-track curves forever. So true, Adrian!!
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MärCo		#138 Posted : 02 December 2007 11:49:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 1,159 Location: The Netherlands		R1 curves, and accept that you need 1:100 coaches. The overhang with 1:100 coaches in combination with R1 curves is far better.
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Goofy		#139 Posted : 02 December 2007 13:42:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,034		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz <br /><h1>R1 curves Forever, I say!! </h1> The smallest curves i have in my layout is R5=543 mm...! This is the best way of realism from after prototyp by using era 1 traffic. R1 curves dont rules...! Goofy [:(!]
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Schienenbus		#140 Posted : 02 December 2007 13:46:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/10/2007(UTC) Posts: 153 Location: Surrey, England		I received my 26290 M4M train. And the passenger car in this set is 29cm long. I must admit it looks a bit long on my layout - maybe I need to get used to it. I any case it cannot go over my R1 Maerklin bridge - some little thingie at the bottom catches the railing... Well, next house must have a larger train room to make R3 the min... But hey, no bridges for that radius available, or are there???
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Goofy		#141 Posted : 02 December 2007 13:46:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,034		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by renevoorburg <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Now - what can be done with that offending wire harness Perhaps this? René Placement a kind of rubberlatex between coaches. I know myself,that there is an french company who are producing this kind of. I dont the name of company... [V] Goofy
		H0 DCC = Digital Command Control
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David Dewar		#142 Posted : 02 December 2007 16:29:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		Goofy There is indeed a French firm making connecting corridors. I heard of it a long time ago but like you dont know the name. Perhaps one of our French members may know? David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Unholz		#143 Posted : 02 December 2007 22:14:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,397 Location: Switzerland		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar There is indeed a French firm making connecting corridors. I heard of it a long time ago but like you dont know the name. Perhaps one of our French members may know? Not a French member, but nearby. Perhaps GPP? (Scroll down until you arrive at "soufflets") http://pagesperso-orange.../soufflets/soufflets.htm
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al_pignolo		#144 Posted : 02 December 2007 22:53:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/09/2005(UTC) Posts: 904 Location: bologna, BO		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr <br /> When I found Marklin where it was acceptable and even encouraged to do a representation of reality rather than a reproduction of reality it was like an epiphany. ... I have no problems with rivet counters (Nietzenzähler?) if that is what excites you. It is just that in my younger days in American HO there were so many (virtually everyone one talked to) that I felt somehow inadequate because I didn't feel that way and figured I was in the wrong hobby. I now realize that there is a place in the hobby for all and it doesn't make one more right than the other. Ron, breaking my silence promise I must say that this statement about your philosophy is 100% in agreement with mine! A perfect abstract of what I think, too, despite of my fetish of 1:87 lenght! But we all must have one... you can call me a "window counter" (even if I don't mind about green connectors... ) Regards Pietro
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David Dewar		#145 Posted : 03 December 2007 00:14:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,352 Location: Scotland		Stephan. Many thanks for information. My next question is probably obvious : Have you tried them and do they work? David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Unholz		#146 Posted : 03 December 2007 07:23:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,397 Location: Switzerland		David: no, I haven't tried them. But 41 Euros for 5 pairs is not that much, so I guess one could take the risk.
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jonquinn		#147 Posted : 03 December 2007 07:40:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		here's another possibility, not likely to pit without some reworking http://www.thecoachyard....quipment/ProtoDiaph.html these aren't inexpensive either ($18 US each), however. probably would require a new frame and maybe double it up to work on tight turns. Whenver I do buy my Gottardo I will try these out, unless someone else makes a similar part designed explicitly for the Gottardo in HO.
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mike c		#148 Posted : 06 December 2007 04:24:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,912 Location: Montreal, QC		Technical query about the 39540 Gottardo model 1) What kind of decoder does the model come with? 2) Is the sound module part of the decoder (ie Loksound) or is it a separate module (like the 39420 Re 4/4I). If it is a Loksound decoder, the sounds may be changed. 3) Can somebody post a photo of the end of one of the coaches as well as a photo of the model in the dark and a photo of the model on radius 3, 4 or 5 curves? Thanks Mike C
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60904		#149 Posted : 06 December 2007 15:56:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 327		Hi, it is not an ESU Loksound.
		Greetings Martin
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Hemmerich		#150 Posted : 07 December 2007 01:26:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mike c 1) What kind of decoder does the model come with? Hi Mike, 21-pin mfx decoder Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:2) Is the sound module part of the decoder (ie Loksound) or is it a separate module (like the 39420 Re 4/4I). Same setup as in Re4/4 (including station announcement and signal horn); as it was specified right from the beginning. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:3) Can somebody post a photo of the end of one of the coaches as well as a photo of the model in the dark and a photo of the model on radius 3, 4 or 5 curves? For anyone in favor of this model (like myself) here's the desired pic of this little masterpiece. Were you interested in these views (train on R1)? And here the "real" one (SBB Historic version). [:p]
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