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Sorry - but I don't understand... Since the Gottardo was finally shipped at least five ot them appear everyday on eBay.de - from Maerklin dealers, with warranty and untouched, new in package...

So who had to preorder before seeing the train?

Even the 'strictly made to order' Insider BR 05 is readily available on eBay...

Is there any model that was released in the recent past that actually was NOT available after its release without a pre-order...

Maybe you are creating a problem where there is none...

Cheers,
A.

Hello A:

The fact of the matter is this. The listings on eBay are very recent, ie the past few weeks. Many of us determined our model train budgets many months ago when the New Items lists were released. As such, we sent our orders for these New Items to our favorite hobby shop.
Waiting for eBay is a risky proposition. For example, I know at least one ebay seller who has a reputation for posting items online that he could not sell in store due to a small defect or damage that most of his customers had detected. When the buyer of the item would notice the damage, they were referred to the manufacturer for repairs.

Also, if you don't live on the Moon, you would realize that many companies and dealers offer discounts to pre-orders, to encourage us to order sight unseen. So, our orders are based on the info and photos provided by the company and the frustration develops when the model does not look like the pre-photos on delivery.

That basically resumes what the whole discussion is about.

Regards

Mike C

Lutz,

As long as she looks like the photo, no problem, but if her a** sticks out too much when she walks around the corner, then back to the shop she goes.

BTW, with all this talk about China, I am not sure I would want to buy a cat in a bag.

Regards

MC

Gents and Ladies,

We forget one important thing here about buying a Pig in a poke/bag or sight unseen.
Lutz is not a normal marklinist. Normal marklinists have to buy a lot of items sight unseen based on a Photo taken at the best possible angle etc..
Lutz sees the Photos, sees the Prototype, then sees the Production version. THEN He buys. SO LUTZ never has to do what he quoted:

Sounds like engaging with a woman for the rest of the life w/o having met her before, just based upon a nice photo she sent around - simply ask who is SOLELY accountable for buying a cat in the bag?

Well the hand uncoupler topic got to 3 pages.

Yup.

Ray I would say just about right. Most of us have a balanced view of the good and bad of model rail while others can only see one direction. As long as we all enjoy it then thats fine by me.


David

And now the healing begins........
It's been fun to watch this argument go around and around, but it's time to put the horse down.IMHO.

We keep trying, but it just won't die......

Only 28 to go, Ray!

In some of my Rocos there is barely the place for a decoder and it fits right under the shell. This because to have sufficient weight the frame is very thick
buffers usually fly away and other small items are flimsy, at least in the ones I have. Marklin has metal additions that are more solidly fixed
I disagree. I have a Roco crocodile that came with all the railings separate. Some are metal and need to be painted yellow. It's a pain and you have to remove them if you open the shell. The home applied paint also chips away more easily. I had to order an additional bag of details just to be sure not to loose them. In the Roco italian "milleporte" cars you have to attach minuscule door handles (about 12 per side) manually. It took me two hours, tweezers and magnifying lenses and I lost countless of the little suckers. Looks very nice but what a pain in the ass!
All the above looks great in you inspect the model closely (like the internal detail) but it's lost once the model travels on the lay-out and you are feet away.
I have also many Roco (Ae 8/8, Re460, five italian ones, etc.) but mostly because I can't get them in Marklin.
A few are like that. Mostly I have however to "shake" the loco because there may be four tabs, at the corners, and with two hands it's difficult to dislodge all four at the same time. Also, on some locos, they make a hooked connection above that works opposite (keeps the housing attached to the frame). Those are the first to go.

That happens to me as well. Roco and Liliput cars have the tendency to un-couple themselves, no matter what. I found Marklin couplers to be much more reliable.

My personal two cents remain the same: Marklin is more designed for operation, Roco is more designed for prototypical correct representation but less for operation. Also the plastic gears on the Roco locomotives (also present on the Marklin 36xxx series of budget priced locomotives) point towards a lower life than the metal Marklin and Hag costruction.

Hi,
drive the trainset into a curve and try to connect the coaches from the outside so that the couplings are tighter. They do not uncouple then.

I have run and tested the Gottardo extensively now. I would like to do a review, but the system won't let me.......................Webmaster???

Dave Pryor

You can email the Webmaster.

It might be 'Loco reviews currently disabled' see topic on.

https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=7423