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Offline Willr  
#1 Posted : 09 March 2024 00:05:11(UTC)
Willr

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Joined: 03/03/2022(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Parry Sound, Ont. Canada
Hello.
I've searched through past posts, and can't seem to find an answer.
Hopefully someone can help me with some questions.

I'm setting up a layout with CS2 60215 software V4.3.0 (11) and a 6021 controller through a 6021 connect #3935 Ver 1.
I'm new to the CS2. I've been using the 6021/6036 and 6040s for a couple years now.

I have entered locs into the CS2, and then gone to setup and listed them to the 6021. I did the update (blue down arrow)
and then green check mark.
The 6021 won't control them until I power off everything, and then repower.

Is this correct or is there a problem?

Waiting for CS2 to restart every time is surely cutting into my track time. Sad

I'm also looking for some better info or video explaining the procedures regarding the memory. Is there anything out
there better than the Marklin manual?

Thanks in advance.
Will
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Offline mvd71  
#2 Posted : 09 March 2024 07:54:08(UTC)
mvd71

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Posts: 1,729
Location: Auckland,
It’s been a long time since I did that particular operation, but it don’t recall having to restart the cs2. As I recall it was a pretty straightforward exercise.
Offline Willr  
#3 Posted : 10 March 2024 12:40:22(UTC)
Willr

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Location: Parry Sound, Ont. Canada
I've tried 2 more locs, one with a msd/3 and the other has a 60906 decoder.
In both cases, unless I rebooted the entire system, the 6021 would not take control.

I've been reading many posts here and yet to find a like situation. What I have read
many times is reports of CS2 being frozen at start up.

That has me worried as I have many locs to load into the system and I am starting
to feel like I'm playing Russian Roulette.
Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 10 March 2024 15:00:21(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,130
Location: Paris, France
Hi Will
Just a shoot in the dark as I have no Connect 6021 but only a 6021, a 60212, 60215, 60226, MS1, MS2.
Seems to me:
- both units (CS2 and 6021) MSUT be connected on the same multiple outlet strip with a switch
- the loco list in the CS2 for the 6021 should be filled and then, the loco address should be entered into the 6021 and it should work first time (no need to reboot)
- what make me say this is that with MS1 and MS2 you call locos on the list (in the MS2, you must read the in- the-CS2- registered locos) but no rebboting is necessary
- similarly whan connecting a CS2 and a CS3, when they are powered from the same multiple outlet strip, no rebooting is necessary.
Cheers
Jean
Offline Willr  
#5 Posted : 10 March 2024 15:14:21(UTC)
Willr

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Location: Parry Sound, Ont. Canada
Hi Jean.
Thanks for your response.
I do have the CS2 and 6021 plugged into the same switched power strip.
Yes, I agree it should be a seamless transfer as it is with the MS2 I have connected to the same CS2.

I do have a spare 6021 which I will try today.
Thanks
Will
Offline Willr  
#6 Posted : 10 March 2024 17:05:40(UTC)
Willr

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Location: Parry Sound, Ont. Canada
I tried with 2 different 6021 units.
Same results except when I loaded a V100 with 6090x. It submitted control to the 6021.
But after that i entered another mfx into the CS2, delivered it to the 6021, and it just sat still for the 6021.

PS. Turns out this V100 with 6090 had a faulty decoder. A couple days later it did some unrequested starts and stops, and
then it went supersonic.

Edited by user 07 April 2024 21:14:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Willr  
#7 Posted : 07 April 2024 21:12:29(UTC)
Willr

Canada   
Joined: 03/03/2022(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Parry Sound, Ont. Canada
My Marklin dealer and I communicated with Marklin Digital support on here is the answer.

>> I have limited experience with the 6021/CS2, but I know that it is buggy.

I do not know what a #3935V1 is. The 6021 should be connected with a “Connect 6021” (6028). Then, I believe, all that needs to be done is to input the default address of a locomotive into the 6021 and run the locomotive.

The 6021 becomes a secondary device at this point and the commands that are sent from the 6021are repeated by the CS2.

I think 😉<<

Pretty disappointing answer. Huh

So I re re re read the 6021 connect manual and found a note at bottom right.

The note is under the "remove connect 6021" instructions, but I suppose it might be meant to apply to all
operations prior to that as well? I guess that's what I'll live with, which is better than it being buggy.

6021 manual.jpg







Offline JohnjeanB  
#8 Posted : 08 April 2024 00:23:23(UTC)
JohnjeanB

France   
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3,130
Location: Paris, France
Hi Will
I don't have a connect 6021 (60128) but I have a 6021, CS1, CS2 and CS3.
It seems to me that the connect 6021 is VERY expensive and make only sense if you have PLENTY of the 6021 family modules (keyboards, control units, boosters, etc).
The whole system is old, faulty-contact-prone, not multiprotocol, weak 2,4 A compared with 5A for the CS3. The old boosters (6015) cannot really be re-used unless with a CS2 (your case).
My understanding is that the 6021 is a slave to the CS2 or CS3. So when entering the address of a loco to a 60F then a change of speed , direction, fonctions is transmitted to the csé / CS3 and a merge of digital phases is made by the CS2 before being sent to the track.
Cheers
Jean
Offline mvd71  
#9 Posted : 08 April 2024 08:13:12(UTC)
mvd71

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Posts: 1,729
Location: Auckland,
Hi Will,

I have a cs3 and a couple of 6021’s. if I get some spare time next week I will try them out and see how they go.
The last time I used a 60128 to utilise my 6021 was with a cs2, and that was a number of years ago, so there have been many software changes since then.

Potential problems I can imagine are faulty hardware (unlikely in an 6021)
User induced error (usually as a result of Marklin hopeless manuals)
Software upgrades from marklin have improved things so much that they don’t work properly.

Anyway, if I get a chance I’ll try to do some tests.

Cheers….

Mike
Offline marklinist5999  
#10 Posted : 08 April 2024 12:17:26(UTC)
marklinist5999

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Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC)
Posts: 3,142
Location: Michigan, Troy
Hi Will, the digital webinar in February covered the CS2 for being long in the tooth and once it is near full capacity is very slow, and can restart at will. I have a CS3+, with the MS2 as the auxiliary in my layout. I keep my 6021 on my work desk for testing. I aggree with Jean, that the 6021cinnect is mainly beneficial for those with the older digital keyboards.
The CS3 can control any accessories connected with M83, and M84 decoders for me.
Offline Willr  
#11 Posted : 09 April 2024 00:17:31(UTC)
Willr

Canada   
Joined: 03/03/2022(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Parry Sound, Ont. Canada
Thank you for the responses.

I should share what I'm working on. My layout is 10m x 6m, "E" shaped.
On the center leg of the "E" is the central command location with 6021 w/transfo, 6036, 4 x 6040 keyboard
3 x 6017 boosters w/transfo. Top leg has 6036, and 1 keyboard. Lower leg has 2 x 6036, and 3 keyboards.
The 3 stations are connected by RJ-45 shielded cables and IEK connectors.
This was all functioning, and then I acquired a CS2 at a good price. I did so for
the obvious ease of loco control/functions reasons, and ability to create a multi unit locos.

I like the ease of access to the turnouts with the 6040 keyboards compared to the keyboard of the CS2.
That is why I decided to get a Connect 6021.

As I said earlier, I also want to get proficient with the memory
of the CS2. Still looking for useful instructions for that.

Presently I have a test oval w/siding set up with the CS2, Connect 6021, 6021, MS2, and a keyboard. I wanted
to educate myself somewhat before introducing the CS2 to the layout.

Jean, I have had the odd connection problem with the 6021 etc units, but eventually get them nailed down.

Mike said:
"Software upgrades from marklin have improved things so much that they don’t work properly."
hahaha.
No one is immune to that I guess.
I have done the loco adding process about 20 times now with the same results, except for that one loco
with defective decoder. I must always reboot the system and then all is good with the Connect 6021/6021.
So, I don't know if I'm doing it wrong from the manual, because I'm just doing it. I can live with it as it is
happening as long as CS2 keeps working.

marklinist5999 - Thanks for the info, I'll look at the webinar. The CS2 can handle M83 and 84 as well I believe, yes?
By the time I get to wanting those, we'll probably be looking at CS4.

Thanks guys.

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