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Offline Chuck Burkert  
#1 Posted : 08 January 2024 19:06:27(UTC)
Chuck Burkert

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Location: Ohio, Concord
Loco 11414.JPG11414 Loco.JPGI recently bought a used locomotive 11414. It is prone to leaving the tracks, particularly at switches. At close inspections it looks like the wheels might have a smaller lip than other locomotives. Has anyone else had this problem?

Here are two more angles of the loco.

I will test more regarding which direction it runs better and comment again.

The loco derails at switches going in each direction. My other locos don't derail at the switches so it is not the switches fault. Perplexed.

The bogies move easily, no obstruction from wires.

Edited by user 10 January 2024 22:16:16(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Dave Banks  
#2 Posted : 08 January 2024 22:20:01(UTC)
Dave Banks

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Location: Gold Coast, Australia.
Could it be your missing some or all of the 4 rubber traction tyres. Can we please have a picture of the underside of your loco.
Example:

[img]UserPostedImage[/img]
D.A.Banks
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Offline Chuck Burkert  
#3 Posted : 08 January 2024 23:08:05(UTC)
Chuck Burkert

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Originally Posted by: Dave Banks Go to Quoted Post
Could it be your missing some or all of the 4 rubber traction tyres. Can we please have a picture of the underside of your loco.
Example:

[img]UserPostedImage[/img]


I’m having trouble getting a picture uploaded but all 4 traction wheels look the same as what you posted.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 09 January 2024 00:45:18(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: Chuck Burkert Go to Quoted Post

I’m having trouble getting a picture uploaded...


Use the paper clip on the edit bar and follow the instructions.

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Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 09 January 2024 05:08:50(UTC)
mike c

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Location: Montreal, QC
The 3050 and 3350/3650 Ae 6/6 have two wheelsets per bogie that are full wheels. The middle wheelsets are designed to allow the model to operate on tight model RR radii.
They are also designed to pivot to the sides so that the middle wheels stay on the rails and don't cause a derailment.

Regarding your derailment issues, is the loco prone to derailment more in one direction than in the other (i.e. slider in front or motor front)?

As there is no photo, I can't see if there are any obvious issues with your model, but here are a few things you can check:

1) Is the slider properly mounted? Is it aligned with the axles so that it is always in the middle?

2) Is the slider properly positioned so that it sits evenly and not with one side lower than the other?

3) The motor block and front bogie hold the plastic bogie housing in place using pins at the rear and the coupler screw in the front.
Make sure that these are properly inserted and that no part of the plastic bogie is interfering with operation.

4) You say that the loco derails, particularly at switches. Does this happen when the loco runs straight or when it takes the wye?

5) and my final thought... Open the model and ensure that no cables are caught in parts which need to pivot. Many times, models are opened and then closed and wires get snagged in a manner which prevents the bogie from properly pivoting.

I hope that this helps you harrow down the trouble.

If you still have issues, please post a photo of the underside of your model along with a short video of the model running over a switch in both the straight and turnout tracks.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Dave Banks  
#6 Posted : 09 January 2024 20:41:06(UTC)
Dave Banks

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Ok here is the picture of the loco in question from Chuck Burkert:

[img]UserPostedImage[/img]

I must say it looks like all traction tyres are intact. We need to look at the rear of the loco & see if there is any up & down play in the three rear axles.

This kind of wear can occur from heavy use especially when the loco goes in one direction all the time. The loco can adopt a lopsided look as if it has a puncture.

Just a thought & process of ticking off the possible causes of your derailment.
D.A.Banks
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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 09 January 2024 21:32:40(UTC)
mike c

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First thing that I noted in the photo is that there seems to be oil seepage on the bottom of the motor block.

I see what appears to be normal wear on the traction tires.

Please check the rest of the items on my list above.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Chuck Burkert  
#8 Posted : 16 January 2024 19:23:39(UTC)
Chuck Burkert

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Joined: 29/12/2023(UTC)
Posts: 7
Location: Ohio, Concord
Thank you for the tips. I continue to investigate the issue.
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