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Offline Michael4  
#1 Posted : 01 January 2024 15:32:07(UTC)
Michael4

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I'm not sure that this is possible but something tells me that I have read a way of do it somewhere.

Imagine a circle of track...and a loco always running in the same direction.

An attempt to describe what I want to do.

a)I want to make a loco run over a contact track and activate something.

b)The next time it comes round and passes over the contact track nothing happens.

c)The next time it passes over a contact track I want it to do what it did in a) ie activate something

In other words the instruction is activated at alternate passes of the loco.

So I want some sort of remote switch that at each impulse flicks from one instruction to the other. Is this called a toggle switch?

I'm using remote switch 7045 elsewhere on my layout but cannot see how it could help. I'm not familiar with other versions of the remote switch.

Then I thought maybe I could do this with an old loco reversing unit?

Any ideas?



Offline JohnjeanB  
#2 Posted : 01 January 2024 15:59:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael4 Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure that this is possible but something tells me that I have read a way of do it somewhere.

Imagine a circle of track...and a loco always running in the same direction.

An attempt to describe what I want to do.

a)I want to make a loco run over a contact track and activate something.

b)The next time it comes round and passes over the contact track nothing happens.

c)The next time it passes over a contact track I want it to do what it did in a) ie activate something

In other words the instruction is activated at alternate passes of the loco.

So I want some sort of remote switch that at each impulse flicks from one instruction to the other. Is this called a toggle switch?
I'm using remote switch 7045 elsewhere on my layout but cannot see how it could help. I'm not familiar with other versions of the remote switch.

Then I thought maybe I could do this with an old loco reversing unit?

Hi Michael
There are no simple electromechanical solutions using relays etc
Of course with electronics (a CS3) that would be a piece of cake.

But there is a solution, using a Telex relay where the spring tension is eased to obtain a reliable operation with 16 VAC
The Telex relay is activated by a "Schaltgleis" (a slider operated, direction-dependent contact track like the 5146 and 16 VAC)
The Telex contact on the Telex relay is activated every other impulse while the direction output (two of them) are activated in sequence : ON, ON, OFF, OFF

So this would be in effect a toggleswitch acting every other pulse or every TWO other pulses
Of course the result would be a permanent contact (not suitable for electromagnetic accessories.

Cheers
Jean
Offline Michael4  
#3 Posted : 01 January 2024 16:41:17(UTC)
Michael4

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Hi Jean,

I hadn't thought of the Telex unit. As you say, it is a toggle switch.

Thanks,

I'll try

Michael
Offline mvd71  
#4 Posted : 01 January 2024 19:39:23(UTC)
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Short answer is yes it can be done.

Longer answer is depends on what function you are trying to achieve as to how.
Offline hxmiesa  
#5 Posted : 01 January 2024 22:59:56(UTC)
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Best regards
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 02 January 2024 03:58:07(UTC)
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You would have to use a contact track, either via rails (ground) or a slider contact (middle rail) and connect it to a relay that would trigger one of two possibilities (active or ignore). You would then have to connect that relay to whatever you wanted to control. After each second click, it would return to the first and activate the contact again.

I have seen this type of setup used, for example, to set a train route so that the train makes a complete round and then, the second time, it switches to another branch before going back to the original track the next time around.

Regards

Mike C
Offline hxmiesa  
#7 Posted : 02 January 2024 20:20:12(UTC)
hxmiesa

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This can be done in several ways, I think.
You can use the Märklin UFS relays as a "memory-bit" and make a toggle electro-mechanically;

toggle1.png

Normally I make my systems with 24V industrial strength relays, where the coils can be powered on continuosly, but I think this plan is correct for track-contacts and Märklin 16V bistable relays.
It whould work correctly with both slider and wheelsets operated contacts, as long as the distance between each track-contact is more than a train-length.

Forget about the "direction of travel"; This will work in both directions... RollEyes
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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