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Offline plg  
#1 Posted : 29 December 2023 17:37:23(UTC)
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Has anyone else had this problem?
My 800 tends to derail in one spot in particular, ie a wide radius curved switch (24772 ), but occasionally derails on other switches, albeit not frequently. To me it seems it is just too light and has too much play.
What might be a solution?
Adding weight to the bogie or am I looking at this completely the wrong way?

Many thanks in advance for any advice.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#2 Posted : 30 December 2023 13:07:15(UTC)
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This is fairly common to newer Marklin steamers. It was mentioned in the October digital club newsletter regarding bridge ramp and approach grades. My br 38 included. As it can be impossible to eliminate all spots on the layout where derailing can occur due to length constraints, I have been able to improve it by bending the copper spring on the axle to apply more downward force on the pilot truck.
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Offline rhfil  
#3 Posted : 30 December 2023 13:42:06(UTC)
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I have a Marklin 39241 which I love and is very impressive. I ran it on a club layout a number of times at shows but for some reason a switch that led into the staging area was replaced and the 241 would short out every time it tried to go through it. Never did figure out how to prevent that but it was the only place it happened. Is it possible that the switch has a rail that is slightly off? If it were my layout I would first try replacing the switch unless it happens at every 24772 on the layout.
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Online Copenhagen  
#4 Posted : 30 December 2023 14:34:07(UTC)
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On other rolling stock from other makers the wheel spacing is often a source of derailment (large wheel spacing and small flanges). But it is probably not possible to adjust wheel spacing in this case...
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Offline marklinist5999  
#5 Posted : 31 December 2023 10:48:54(UTC)
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A turnout or a curved track that is just slightly unlevel with the adjoining tracks can cause it too. The tender is off plane from the boiler for example as it follows. The drawbar jolts it enough to jump the pickup shoe or wheels. Or the same with cars.
Online Copenhagen  
#6 Posted : 31 December 2023 12:28:13(UTC)
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To add to marklinist5999. Last evening I experienced a small non Marklin steamer without bogies derailing in a curved turnout. It was a in the left turn in a left turning turnout (if that makes sense..). On closer inspection it was clear that the front right wheel hit the edge of the rail, in what I believe is called the heart piece of the turnout, causing the engine to jump up and derail. The problem was solved by modifying the metal slightly (in the turnout) in order to make a smother passage.
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Offline bph  
#7 Posted : 31 December 2023 12:36:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: plg Go to Quoted Post
Has anyone else had this problem?
My 800 tends to derail in one spot in particular, ie a wide radius curved switch (24772 ), but occasionally derails on other switches, albeit not frequently. To me it seems it is just too light and has too much play.
What might be a solution?
Adding weight to the bogie or am I looking at this completely the wrong way?

Many thanks in advance for any advice.


Try to tension up the spring/contact plate a little bit. (part 18 on the part diagram)
(and also check the wheel spacing as Copenhagen suggested.)
Offline kiwiAlan  
#8 Posted : 31 December 2023 14:22:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
in what I believe is called the heart piece of the turnout


In English, for reasons I don't know, this is known as a 'frog'.
Maybe it is because it causes wheels to jump ... Blushing
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Online Copenhagen  
#9 Posted : 01 January 2024 00:42:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
in what I believe is called the heart piece of the turnout


In English, for reasons I don't know, this is known as a 'frog'.
Maybe it is because it causes wheels to jump ... Blushing


It surely must have jumped my memory. "Heart piece" is a direct translation from Danish.
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Offline plg  
#10 Posted : 01 January 2024 01:11:34(UTC)
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Guys,

Thank you so much.
So the switch is indeed on an incline and I thought maybe theslicht variation lelevation was causing the problem- I put the switch in a different position so that while still on a incline it is flat to the tracks preceeding and following the actual switch- in other words the loco, which as suggested is long and that can cause the fr4ont or rear bogie to derail. Anyway, that didnt work which was really annoying as had to do quite a bit of work re-working that part of the layout.

So I am starting tosuspect that infact it is the frog of the switch.
I will work on that see if it works.

I now obsessing about getting this to work- it is driving me bananas!!!!!
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#11 Posted : 01 January 2024 02:17:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Copenhagen Go to Quoted Post
in what I believe is called the heart piece of the turnout


In English, for reasons I don't know, this is known as a 'frog'.
Maybe it is because it causes wheels to jump ... Blushing


It surely must have jumped my memory. "Heart piece" is a direct translation from Danish.


OK, I can see why it could be called that. ThumpUp

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Offline plg  
#12 Posted : 01 January 2024 07:15:57(UTC)
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And happy new year!!
And thx again for your thoughts.
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Online Copenhagen  
#13 Posted : 01 January 2024 12:00:35(UTC)
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I remember seing posts about other modifications on problematic C track turnouts.
On the outer tracks on each side of the frog there are short pieces of guard rails (made of plastic). These guard rails serve to keep the outer wheels in place and prevent derailing. If the distance between the rail and the guard rail is slightly too big it can cause troubles. Some people have glued a thin strip of plastic to the guard rail to make the gap a bit smaller. You can try and put a thin strip of electric tape (electric tape is thicker than ordinary tape) on the guard rail and see what happens.
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