Rheingold 1962 vs 1963, what is essentially the difference?

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Mark5		#1 Posted : 04 September 2023 00:20:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,420 Location: Montreal, Canada		So I am looking at a set of Rheingold 1962 that Marklin produced 11 years ago in 2012 and now I just noticed that last year Marklin made a near identical set called Rheingold 1963. What is the essential visual difference aside from the sound decoder in the dining car and its window arrangement? If you have either of these sets or both, what is or would your preference be? 43881 + 43882, Marklin produces in 2021/2022 vs 43883 + 43873, Marklin produces in 2012/2013
		DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70. In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?


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hxmiesa		#2 Posted : 04 September 2023 06:40:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,520 Location: Spain		The latter one is the Rheinpheil (not gold), with golden "Deutches Bundesbahn" lettering on the aussichtswagen. It consists of 5 wagons, while the Rheingold has 6.
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H0		#3 Posted : 04 September 2023 08:51:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		The Rheinpfeil was the first train to receive the new coaches in the blue/cream paint scheme in 1962. The dome car was marked "Rheingold" and the window had 8 rows. The dome cars that were later made for the Rheinpfeil only had 4 rows and, as Henrik already noted, were marked "Deutsche Bundesbahn". A little time later both trains were painted in the red/cream TEE scheme. Märklin also made a Rheinpfeil consist with a mix of red and blue. Rheingold and Rheinpfeil were exchanging through coaches, so some coaches could be seen in both trains at different times.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS

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JohnjeanB		#4 Posted : 04 September 2023 09:34:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 3,130 Location: Paris, France		Hi Mark It is great to have you with us in this great forum. Here a Märklin fan from France. Here are the two trains side by side in one of my shadow stations. Sorry for the part view of trains due to support pillars First the locos and compartment cars Then the dome cars Last, the kitchen restaurant cars Sorry, the high capacity cars are missing Also in 2007, Märklin produced a blue Rheingold but not as a set 39121, 43850, 43860, 43870, 43880 (the key difference between both 2012 models was no horizontal railing on the blue locos) Not sure here, since I don't have the 2012 blue set. To answer your question: I like both sets pictured above and: - the 2012 set has fantastic running characteristics (SDS motor) but a very simplistic decoder with a toy-like horn and no dome car lighting possibility (pictured is home-made lighting. - the 2022 set has a much better decoder (many more fonctions including motorized pantographs but some toy-like sound and pantograph cannot sink completely). The restaurant car decoder is sophisticated including a fire simulation in the kitchen compartment with an orange blinking light and the chef yelling oil fire! Cheers Jean
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marklinist5999		#5 Posted : 04 September 2023 11:24:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,142 Location: Michigan, Troy		I think that whichever set they made are nice. The latest have led lighting. My Helvetia and Rheinphell sets from 2002 have bulbs. The dome car says Rheingold. There is a bar in the dome coach.

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H0		#6 Posted : 04 September 2023 11:29:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 My Helvetia and Rheinphell sets from 2002 have bulbs. This thread is about the newer coaches in 1:93.5. The coaches from 2002 are probably the about 1:100 type, so completely different moulds. They are all nice and everybody can get the length they want.
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marklinist5999		#7 Posted : 04 September 2023 14:21:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,142 Location: Michigan, Troy		Yes, the 2002 are 1:00 scale. I thought the newest are 1/87 exact, or are the ones with sound only?


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H0		#8 Posted : 04 September 2023 15:03:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 I thought the newest are 1/87 exact, or are the ones with sound only? So far Märklin only offered green double-deck coaches in 303 mm length (1:87), while all other models of 26.4 m types were at reduced length. The dining coaches with sounds are 1:97. The dining coaches for the recent Rheingold 62 are 1:93.5 like the other Rheingold coaches.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS

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Mark5		#9 Posted : 05 September 2023 23:34:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,420 Location: Montreal, Canada		Thank you for all your comments. All very helpful. BTW If you havent already seen this Rheingold video, its perfect for modelling marklin Era III NS loks along with the v200 and then e10. That old style german narrator. My wife says its a Bavarian accent. Is that correct.?
		DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70. In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?

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H0		#10 Posted : 06 September 2023 11:09:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Mark5 That old style german narrator. My wife says its a Bavarian accent. Is that correct.? I didn't watch it all. At departure at Amsterdam, there is a narrator with Dutch accent. On arrival in Switzerland, there is a narrator with Swiss accent. I did not hear Bavarian accent, but, as already mentioned, didn't watch the whole movie.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS

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marklinist5999		#11 Posted : 06 September 2023 14:34:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2021(UTC) Posts: 3,142 Location: Michigan, Troy		Think I spottted a Fiat sedan driving along the Rhein too. The TEE network was extensive. "From the hook of Holland, to Venice."

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