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Offline morsing  
#1 Posted : 24 August 2015 19:46:37(UTC)
morsing

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Hi,

I'm a bit confused about which pickup shoe out of 73404-5-6 to get for lighting my coaches... Two are assymetrical, and one symetrical but no further description available?

Thanks
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 24 August 2015 20:05:50(UTC)
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Hi!

The description for the coaches indicates interior lights 7330.
Description for 73404 says that 2x73400+73404 can replace 7330 or 7335.
Regards
Tom
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Offline morsing  
#3 Posted : 24 August 2015 20:59:53(UTC)
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Thanks for that...

So I'm also looking at this:

http://www.gaugemaster.c...asp?code=MN72020&r=1

But just wondering how to connect each coach to ground? It doesn't come with the ground spring, does it, so what else do I need to buy?

Thanks

EDIT: Found it, it's this one: http://www.gaugemaster.c...asp?code=MN72050&r=1
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
Offline morsing  
#4 Posted : 31 August 2015 18:43:54(UTC)
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I have a problem!

I've fitted ground springs to two coaches now and on both coaches it stops the wheels spinning completely. That can't be right, is that normal?

Thanks
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
Offline morsing  
#5 Posted : 04 September 2015 15:48:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
I have a problem!

I've fitted ground springs to two coaches now and on both coaches it stops the wheels spinning completely. That can't be right, is that normal?

Thanks


No-one has any input to this? I'm guessing it's not normal, but it's done this on both the coaches I have fitted them to, so what am I doing wrong?
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
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12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 04 September 2015 17:51:36(UTC)
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The ground springs bear on the axles so they are bound to create drag. Are you saying that the wheels cannot move at all after installing the springs?

If they do move but are being braked excessively try bending the springs away from the axles slightly.

If the wheels don't move at all then you must have done something wrong when reassembling the coach.
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Offline morsing  
#7 Posted : 06 September 2015 15:41:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
The ground springs bear on the axles so they are bound to create drag. Are you saying that the wheels cannot move at all after installing the springs?

If they do move but are being braked excessively try bending the springs away from the axles slightly.

If the wheels don't move at all then you must have done something wrong when reassembling the coach.



Hi,
They won't move at all! Well, I have to press down with a force of many Kgs on the bogie to make the wheels spin when I move it along...

I took the bogie off and had a closer look, and the problem appears to be that under one axle on each bogie, there are two plastic studs sticking up very close to the axle. There just isn't enough room for the tongue of the spring to sit betwen that and the axle...

Marklin design flaw or did I buy the wrong spring? I'm sure this is listed as fitting these coaches.
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
Offline morsing  
#8 Posted : 12 October 2018 13:54:57(UTC)
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Hi,

Having setup my track again, I have re-visited the project of adding lighting to my coaches.

I still can't get the wheels to spin... I don't get it.

THanks
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
Offline twmarklinfan  
#9 Posted : 12 October 2018 14:53:29(UTC)
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Hi,

This may sound silly, but I have done the same thing, have you checked the axles are correctly fitted back into the Bogie?
Offline David Dewar  
#10 Posted : 12 October 2018 15:25:05(UTC)
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I would say the wheels are not fitted back correctly as said above. The ground springs do not stop the wheels from turning.

Easy to check just pull out one of the ground springs and see if the wheels then turn.

(almost time for my advert for Train Tech lighting lol)
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Offline river6109  
#11 Posted : 13 October 2018 02:07:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: David Dewar Go to Quoted Post
I would say the wheels are not fitted back correctly as said above. The ground springs do not stop the wheels from turning.

Easy to check just pull out one of the ground springs and see if the wheels then turn.

(almost time for my advert for Train Tech lighting lol)


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Offline morsing  
#12 Posted : 13 October 2018 10:30:28(UTC)
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I can't see anyway for wheels to be fitted wrongly.

However, I think these two buggers are the culprits. They sit so close to the axle the metal doesn't fit. Do I cut them off?

Grounded
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Modelling west Denmark era IV - possibly with some out-of-place elements!
Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
Offline river6109  
#13 Posted : 13 October 2018 13:12:32(UTC)
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strange, unless something went wrong when they put the undercarriage into the mold and weren't removed, how come the carriage doesn't move now did it move without infringements before ? what does the other bogie look like, is it the same ?

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Offline dickinsonj  
#14 Posted : 14 October 2018 00:53:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
what does the other bogie look like, is it the same ?

John


From the image posted you can see that it is clear under the other bogie. I am guessing that those are casting sprues which did not get removed during machining. If you want to mount an axle there I would say that you have to remove them.

If you do that carefully no one but you and Märklin (and all of us) ever has to know. BigGrin
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Offline David Dewar  
#15 Posted : 14 October 2018 11:55:44(UTC)
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The ground springs can go on either end of a coach. Are both ends the same on your coaches.
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Offline twmarklinfan  
#16 Posted : 14 October 2018 12:10:48(UTC)
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The two buggers are there to hold the axles in place. I have had exactly the same issue, pushing the axles back into place the buggers do not separate enough and form a brake on the axle. The solution is to take a small screw driver and prise the top of the buggers away from the axle. The axle should drop a fraction and the buggers will close over the axle and the axle should spin freely again. It may take a bit of jiggling but it should work.
Offline morsing  
#17 Posted : 14 October 2018 21:58:22(UTC)
morsing

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Problem solved!

I can tell you that all my four coaches, on both bogies, have those pins. Don't understand why...

I cut them off and it rolls a charm now :-)

Thanks
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Marklin C-track + CS3+
12m2 layout to be controlled by RocRail
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