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Offline perz  
#1 Posted : 12 September 2005 02:09:21(UTC)
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Is there anybody who could tell whether the mfx decoders show 14 or 27 speed steps when controlled by the Märklin/Motorola format?

The Märklin/Motorola format defines only 14 speed steps. However, at least the 6090x-series and non-mfx C-sine decoders show 27 different speed steps in each direction (not counting total stop as a speed step). The way this is controlled is that the decoder goes through odd speed steps upwards, and even speed steps downwards. So a speed step command sequence 0-1-2-3-4-3-2-1-0 will result in the loco speed steps 0-1-3-5-7-6-4-2-0. It is difficult to take advantage of this when running manually from the 6021 speed knob, but with computer control the extra speed steps can be controlled as you like, by sending the speed commands in pairs if necessary.

Now, the question is whether the new mfx decoders show the same behaviour when controlled by the Märklin/Motorola protocol, or if they only show 14 speed steps. I am not able to test myself since I do not have any mfx loco yet.

A side note here is that the ESU LokPilot offers 28 speed steps with a slightly modified version of the Märklin/Motorola protocol. The 14 extra speed steps are not reachable via a 6021, but I think an Intellibox can use them.
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 12 September 2005 19:41:04(UTC)
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I only see 14 speed steps - and speed step 1 is too fast for my taste.
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Offline perz  
#3 Posted : 12 September 2005 20:56:07(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: I only see 14 speed steps - and speed step 1 is too fast for my taste.


Do you mean that you only see 14 speed steps with mfx locos? Or do you mean you don't see the extra speed steps that are evidently there in the 6090x locos?
Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 13 September 2005 12:13:07(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by perz
Do you mean that you only see 14 speed steps with mfx locos? Or do you mean you don't see the extra speed steps that are evidently there in the 6090x locos?

I mean with mfx locos I don't see a difference between (speed step 1 after speed step 0) and (speed step 1 after speed step 2) - so I'd say there are only 14 speed steps (same applies to 6090).
There is a difference with 60901 locos (27 speed steps).
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Offline perz  
#5 Posted : 14 September 2005 00:38:14(UTC)
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OK, thanks h-zero.

So, the mfx decoders actually give fewer speed steps than the old 6090x, when controlled with the Märklin/Motorola format. This means that I will stick to 6090x when converting old locos, at least for the moment.
Offline hmsfix  
#6 Posted : 14 September 2005 03:10:33(UTC)
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Hi,

I agree with the conclusion of h-zero, it does not seem possible to get the 27 speed steps on a mfx decoder with the CU.

But there is also a difference with the various fx decoders. Only those with chip version 701.17 or higher can be switched to 27 speed steps in the described way. Older decoders with 701.13 chips won't do.

Hans Martin
Offline perz  
#7 Posted : 14 September 2005 22:52:16(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Older decoders with 701.13 chips won't do.

Yes, I have observed that too.
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 15 September 2005 17:18:12(UTC)
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To say it positive: there are 27 speed steps with all my 6090x decoders and all my 66032 decoders (but with the Delta decoder 66032 those 27 speed steps don't make a big difference because it has no load regulation).
I haven't seen fx locos with only 14 speed steps (but even in the 2003/2004 catalog there are non-fx locos like the 37641 (NS class 6400) with only 14 speed steps and without load regulation!).
The older 6090 decoders (AFAIK all with 701.13 chips) have only 14 speed steps. But I'd say that acceleration and breaking delay works smoother with these old 6090 chips than with the new mfx chips I have.
And this applies to both IB and MS operation (CS not yet tested).
Regards
Tom
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