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Offline Janne75  
#1 Posted : 20 December 2013 10:29:18(UTC)
Janne75

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Hi all,

I have asked previously similar question for SNCF passenger cars and I got very good information back then Smile .

I would like to ask what CFL locos are "right ones" to pull these CFL passenger cars?

Märklin 4126 and 4127? Also what era these are and if someone knows in which Märklin catalog I could find them? I tried to find them from catalogs 1984-1989? and with no success... If these are too new era vs. my CFL locomotives, then I can imagine they as a train which is pulled by a restored museum locomotive RollEyes .

Märklin 43971 "Donnerbüchsen" 4 car set from 1950´s?


Here is my CFL locomotives:

3134 Nohab Type 1600 diesel locomotive

34158 Serie 5600 steam locomotive

37154 Serie 5600 steam locomotive

37560 Serie 5600 steam locomotive

In my opinion the older 1950´s cars go well with any steam locomotive. 4126 and 4127 are a bit more difficult ones as their color won´t fit in my eays to 3134 diesel very well and the same thing with green 1950´s cars. Maybe it will "see" only freight cars behind it. There is not too many locomotives to choose from CFL Luxembourg. But it is such a small country so I can pull other countries cars behind them also and/or pull CFL cars behind other countries locomotives. I would like to set up a possible prototypical international train though if I will "mix" two or other countries.

Thank you very much from answers in advance! ThumpUp

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline Janne75  
#2 Posted : 20 December 2013 11:01:48(UTC)
Janne75

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When I just see a map of Luxembourg and it´s rail lines it is then possible to "mix" CFL and French SNCF, German DB or Belgium SNCB as these countries are it´s neighboring. I have not yet rolling stock from SNCB and all my SNCF passenger rolling stock is also green. German DB have more variation.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 20 December 2013 11:19:48(UTC)
RayF

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Hi Janne,

I run my green/ivory CFL coaches with my CFL1800 diesel. I found a prototype photo showing this configuration.

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Ray
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Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 20 December 2013 11:24:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
When I just see a map of Luxembourg and it´s rail lines it is then possible to "mix" CFL and French SNCF, German DB or Belgium SNCB as these countries are it´s neighboring. I have not yet rolling stock from SNCB and all my SNCF passenger rolling stock is also green. German DB have more variation.


I often visit Luxembourg on business. Luxembourg City station is a great place to see a variety of trains. At any one time I have seen German Br181 electrics, French Sybic electrics pulling Swiss coaches, Belgian electrics and diesels with local and express coaches, French TGV sets bound for Paris, and numerous CFL diesels and electrics on local trains.
Ray
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Offline Janne75  
#5 Posted : 20 December 2013 11:42:23(UTC)
Janne75

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Thanks Ray,

Then it is possible to mix the trains from countries Luxembourg, Belgium, France and Germany + also Switzerland. But those oldtimer 1950´s passenger cars will go behind one of the CFL Serie 5600 steam locomotives as they are right era for them. Also Luxembourg must have got these Serie 5600 (ex German BR 52) after WW II (after 1945) like many countries did. I don´t have any fact for this, but I presume it went the same way there also.

Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
User is suspended until 23/03/4752 12:54:35(UTC) Mulldog Lemon  
#6 Posted : 20 December 2013 20:03:45(UTC)
Mulldog Lemon

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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Thanks Ray,

Then it is possible to mix the trains from countries Luxembourg, Belgium, France and Germany + also Switzerland. But those oldtimer 1950´s passenger cars will go behind one of the CFL Serie 5600 steam locomotives as they are right era for them. Also Luxembourg must have got these Serie 5600 (ex German BR 52) after WW II (after 1945) like many countries did. I don´t have any fact for this, but I presume it went the same way there also.

Janne


4600? Marklin 37549
4600? Marklin 37469 weathered.
4502? Marklin 40729

Also check out ACME's Holland-Italien express for a multi-national train.
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Offline Winterblade73  
#7 Posted : 20 December 2013 20:40:24(UTC)
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Here is a website I have found useful on trying to get correct compositions for my CFL collection

www. beluxtrains.net

There is a link for 2009 and earlier compositions on the left side index.
Phil from SoCal
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Offline Janne75  
#8 Posted : 20 December 2013 22:17:01(UTC)
Janne75

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Originally Posted by: Mulldog Lemon Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Thanks Ray,

Then it is possible to mix the trains from countries Luxembourg, Belgium, France and Germany + also Switzerland. But those oldtimer 1950´s passenger cars will go behind one of the CFL Serie 5600 steam locomotives as they are right era for them. Also Luxembourg must have got these Serie 5600 (ex German BR 52) after WW II (after 1945) like many countries did. I don´t have any fact for this, but I presume it went the same way there also.

Janne


4600? Marklin 37549
4600? Marklin 37469 weathered.
4502? Marklin 40729

Also check out ACME's Holland-Italien express for a multi-national train.


Those 37549 and 37469 CFL steam locomotives look very good, but I will not buy these at least in the near future. They could be one day in my Collection though as they are the most beautiful DB BR 55 based locomotives. But I have already two 37552 SNCF Serie 040D which are black with black wheels and side rods. CFL ones has red side rods. The good thing in having one of the newer ones would be to get one with sounds. These locos run so smoothly and silently that loco sounds would get full benefits.

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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Offline Janne75  
#9 Posted : 20 December 2013 22:36:26(UTC)
Janne75

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Originally Posted by: Winterblade73 Go to Quoted Post
Here is a website I have found useful on trying to get correct compositions for my CFL collection

www. beluxtrains.net

There is a link for 2009 and earlier compositions on the left side index.


Thank you very much! Interesting website. It can be seen that very different countries locomotives and rolling stock have been mixed in Luxembourg. I will just see all older ones and have already got to 1984 ones, but I can't find the 4126/4127 CFL coaches yet. It seems like full green CFL coaches were much more common ones.

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline Janne75  
#10 Posted : 20 December 2013 22:46:06(UTC)
Janne75

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Just an update. I'm glad that I found now also the same looking coaches than Märklin CFL 4126/4127. It has loco CFL 1800 diesel with the same colors than my 3134 older CFL 1600 diesel. Coaches are CFL Wegmann B (2nd class only) and CFL Wegmann AB (1st and 2nd class). There was also full green CFL Wegmann B in this consist. By full green I mean the coaches sides. The roof is not green in this case Wink . Märklin SNCB (Belgium) old 4069 coach has green roof like it's sides. The same looking coaches than 4126/4127 can be found in years 1986, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 Luxembourg trains. Maybe in other years too...

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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Offline Markus Schild  
#11 Posted : 20 December 2013 22:47:29(UTC)
Markus Schild

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Hi Janne,

Some pictures of coaches in the colours of 4126/27 can be found here:

http://www.rail.lu/materiel/cflwegmann.html

"CFL Wegmann" also brings more results at GOOGLE. The Märklin-cars only appeared in Export-catalogues, in numerical-order dealer-catalogues and in special leaflets for BeNeLux. Not in regular catalogues.

Regards

Markus
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Offline Janne75  
#12 Posted : 20 December 2013 22:56:12(UTC)
Janne75

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Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Go to Quoted Post
Hi Janne,

Some pictures of coaches in the colours of 4126/27 can be found here:

http://www.rail.lu/materiel/cflwegmann.html

"CFL Wegmann" also brings more results at GOOGLE. The Märklin-cars only appeared in Export-catalogues, in numerical-order dealer-catalogues and in special leaflets for BeNeLux. Not in regular catalogues.

Regards

Markus


Markus,

Thank you very much for further information. Now I know why I just could not find them in my normal Märklin catalogs. I saw their production years from my Koll's compact catalog 2012 and tried to find them. Now I will find even more information from these 4126/4127 CFL Wegmann coaches.

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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Offline Janne75  
#13 Posted : 20 December 2013 23:25:37(UTC)
Janne75

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Hi,

In 1996 there is a train CFL 3600 electric dark red/yellow pulling three of these CFL Wegmann (Märklin 4126/4127 coaches). So it could be also "the right one" for these. I think I will just use my older CFL 1600 (Märklin 3134) with them or mix the countries. There is very colorful consists of different countries and the same trains HAS many times different lenght coaches.

Regards,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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Offline Janne75  
#14 Posted : 20 December 2013 23:44:01(UTC)
Janne75

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When I see the link Markus sent there is many possibilities to use these CFL Wegmann coaches. There is even a DB BR 221 pulling a long train of these. So only imagination is the limit, but many real world examples are shown there. I'm also glad to see that there are some prototype trains having only 2-3 of these coaches only behind a diesel locomotive. Real world rail road seems to have trains with very different consist.

Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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