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Offline SteamNut  
#1 Posted : 28 September 2013 14:43:56(UTC)
SteamNut

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I have a Marklin 39390 lok. It runs as good as it looks on my analog non-digital layout. However Marklin did not include the smoke unit which I feel they should have considering the cost of it Angry . So I brought the recommended unit 72270 and installed it. It does not work. I made sure it made contact but I suspect that it will only work on digital as it is separate function. Any help?
Fred
Offline BrandonVA  
#2 Posted : 28 September 2013 15:10:36(UTC)
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Fred,

If I read correctly, you are using this locomotive in analog operation. If that's the case, you won't be able to use the smoke unit. You need to use digital control to turn on the smoke on this model, it is controlled by the (mfx) decoder. Most digital locomotives from Marklin will run under analog control, the decoder is "smart" enough to know it's being run analog and responds accordingly. However, while the loco will run in analog mode, most of the functions will not work (sound, telex, smoke, etc). I say most, because headlights will work under analog operation on newer decoders (such as the one this model has).

Unfortunately, you will need a digital controller (6021, MS, MS2, CS, CS2, etc) to use the smoke function. Attached is a list of functions that will be available depending on the controller used. MS2 would be the cheapest controller that would allow all the functions on this loco.

It may be possible to re-wire the loco to allow smoke to work in analog operation, but I am not sure. I am also not sure if this is a good idea, but others can probably address both parts of this concern if you are interested.

I have the same challenge, I ended up setting my layout up so I could switch between analog control and digital control (MS2). My preference was to not convert my analog locomotives, but without having the MS2 available I couldn't get the most out of my newer digital models.

-Brandon
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Offline SteamNut  
#3 Posted : 28 September 2013 15:20:08(UTC)
SteamNut

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Thanks for the reply, I suspected as much. I plan to keep my layout analog maybe in the future to build a separate digital layout. I did notice that the old Delta loks will support the smoke unit. Rewiring a lok is beyond my ability.
Offline BrandonVA  
#4 Posted : 28 September 2013 15:27:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SteamNut Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the reply, I suspected as much. I plan to keep my layout analog maybe in the future to build a separate digital layout. I did notice that the old Delta loks will support the smoke unit. Rewiring a lok is beyond my ability.


Fred,

No problem. Delta loks that support smoke may work in analog operation, Tom will probably respond with a more detailed answer. The Delta loks will also run under analog or "digital" control, but it will require opening the loco and changing dip switches on the Delta decoder to switch between the two, so probably choose one or the other. The Delta loks run well under analog control in my experience.

You could also fit a smoke generator in an analog steam loc, if you have any. Most of them will accept it, 3082, 3084, 3085, etc.

-Brandon
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 28 September 2013 15:31:57(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: SteamNut Go to Quoted Post
I made sure it made contact but I suspect that it will only work on digital as it is separate function. Any help?
According to the description in the product database the smoke generator should work in analogue operation.
It's a Märklin convention that F0 and F1 will be on when locos are run in analogue mode.

Triple check the contact and make sure there is no air bubble under the smoke fluid and do not put too much fluid in.
The smoke stack should be blank inside (no paint).

Regards
Tom
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Offline BrandonVA  
#6 Posted : 28 September 2013 15:36:32(UTC)
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Tom,

Thanks for correcting me again. I made an assumption, but I didn't even read the product description (whoops).

As you point out, it clearly says "The headlights are maintenance-free, warm white LEDs. The triple headlights change over with the direction of travel. The headlights and the smoke generator, which can be installed in the locomotive, will work in conventional operation and can be controlled digitally."

-Brandon
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