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Offline Sam  
#1 Posted : 27 April 2005 04:22:29(UTC)
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I have the opportunity to get some nice Marklin 1 Gauge/Maxi items but the only place I can possibly run them is at a local club that has "G" scale as it's layout, and I imagine LGB mainly.

Simple question, is it possible to run the Marklin stuff (in DC Mode) on that guage of track? Digital?

Thanks

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Offline 7gauges  
#2 Posted : 27 April 2005 05:29:44(UTC)
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Run only items that can handle the small LGB radii - Maxi - with some exceptions (the class 18.4 and I think the E44) will run on LGB. Maxi runs on a 2 foot / 600mm radius. You might still have problems on the switches - If I remember correctly.

Obviously you already know to switch the engine switches to DC or to swap the chips in the engine - that are included with every Maxi lok.

The expensive 1 Gauge stuff (any car with more than 2 axles) will not run well on LGB - in my experience. The profi - 1 gauge (Maerklin's term, not mine) requires a radius of 1020mm as a minimun (roughly 3 feet 4 inches) - some locos like the BR01 - hate the 1020 and should really run on a 2 meter radius.

If you want to get a rise out of the Garden railway crowd - tell them there is no such thing as "G - Scale", it's actually 2 - scale (1:22.5) and their version is 11m (or 2m) - as in narrow / metre gauge.

I have a couple of #2 scale normal gauge cars - they are absolutely huge - and heavy - they even make the LGB stuff look tiny.

Word of advice - try not to run into any LGB plastic trains with your superior maerklin sheetmetal trains - the LGB doesn't handle it well.
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Offline gary  
#3 Posted : 27 April 2005 07:33:41(UTC)
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I remember there was a discussion of running Marklin 1 on LGB track in the archives.
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Offline john black  
#4 Posted : 27 April 2005 11:14:49(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sam
<br />get some nice Marklin 1 Gauge/Maxi items but the only place I can possibly run them is ...


the living room ? [}:)][}:)][}:)]

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Offline stephenbb  
#5 Posted : 27 April 2005 16:28:10(UTC)
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#6 Posted : 27 April 2005 18:21:53(UTC)
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7gauges mainly answered the question already. The only thing I can add to it is that some people choose to run Märklin Gauge 1 material on LGB track since it's made of brass instead of (not allways stainless) steel Märklin uses. This of course only is an advantage when running your trains outside. It does work, using the small radii isn't the best solution, so keep that in mind. If you really have the space for it, use 16050/16150 switches instead of the usual LGB switches. Really nice! wink

In my opinion LGB rails are looking a little to big for Märklin, this is of course caused by the fact that these rails are designed for a bigger scale trains.
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Offline Sam  
#7 Posted : 27 April 2005 20:30:29(UTC)
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I don't know if those guys are actually running LGB, I just know they are DC, 45mm guage, and "G" scale..

here is the link to their layout... do you think I'll be ok? (just click on "operating divisions" and then the lower part of the page has the "G" scale pictures...

http://www.azmodelrr.com/default2.htm
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Offline 7gauges  
#8 Posted : 27 April 2005 22:03:14(UTC)
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Should be OK - noce big curves - have fun.
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Offline Sam  
#9 Posted : 27 April 2005 23:09:01(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 7gauges
<br />Should be OK - noce big curves - have fun.


Thanks... got a E91 with freight train consist on it's way!

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Offline 7gauges  
#10 Posted : 28 April 2005 01:41:53(UTC)
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Yeah - yesterday I ordered an E91 from Modelbahnzentrum - can't go wrong for half price at 1199 Euro (less 17%) - plus some other stuff the high command need not know about.

This summer I'll finish the garden layout - if only to run the live steam class 18 lok. I wonder if the radio transmitters and receivers are legal in North America - it's kind of an odd frequency.
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Offline McLae  
#11 Posted : 28 April 2005 02:38:45(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:I wonder if the radio transmitters and receivers are legal in North America - it's kind of an odd frequency


Keep an eye on the neighbor's garage door. If it opens when you press 'reverse'.....biggrinwink
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Offline Sam  
#12 Posted : 28 April 2005 08:33:27(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 7gauges
<br />Yeah - yesterday I ordered an E91 from Modelbahnzentrum - can't go wrong for half price at 1199 Euro (less 17%) - plus some other stuff the high command need not know about.

This summer I'll finish the garden layout - if only to run the live steam class 18 lok. I wonder if the radio transmitters and receivers are legal in North America - it's kind of an odd frequency.


yeah, that one and the Blue S 3/6 also is at 599euro... less 16% so I ordered it too. I then combined the order of 10 cars, and got 25% off... High command would flip if she new what I spent! biggrin

as for the Live steam, I want it... it's going to have to wait until I have a home layout however, as these guys will not want the soot and oil on their track. For now, I am going to get a small (25'x8') carpet layout here to set up once in a while, and a SMT Test stand to play with at home, otherwise it's going to be at the local club! Can't wait... HO may suffer a bit for the next few months![:p]
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Offline Sam  
#13 Posted : 28 April 2005 08:37:26(UTC)
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btw, 7, is there a way to use the mobil station (or for that matter the future central station) on 1 gauge? I don't see any kind of feeder track with the 9-pin connection or a way to connect the MS to the track?

thanks
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Offline 7gauges  
#14 Posted : 28 April 2005 16:14:32(UTC)
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For the MS connection I guess they require the "ugly box".

I've got 6021's and boosters that I use - I've heard about too many problems with the new digital system - also half my 1-gauge engines are still Analog (the Krok, BR 55, BR 78, BR 89, Henschel Diesel, and both BR 212's). Analog AC is absolutely wicked for outdoors - you tend not to get very dirty track - or animals lying on it.


I'll wait until all of the early adopters sort the bugs out.......before I commit.
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Offline Sam  
#15 Posted : 28 April 2005 20:02:09(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by 7gauges
<br />For the MS connection I guess they require the "ugly box".

I've got 6021's and boosters that I use - I've heard about too many problems with the new digital system - also half my 1-gauge engines are still Analog (the Krok, BR 55, BR 78, BR 89, Henschel Diesel, and both BR 212's). Analog AC is absolutely wicked for outdoors - you tend not to get very dirty track - or animals lying on it.


I'll wait until all of the early adopters sort the bugs out.......before I commit.


Thanks 7, my only dilemma is that the MS I have came with an HO Digital Starter set and as such it's the 1.2VA version (not recommended by M for use with 1 Gauge), but I wonder if I really need to go out and buy a new MS with 1.9VA (as I'm waiting on a CS anyway) just to run 1 loc at a time (even if the E91 has two motors)??

I'm currently getting different opinions from different dealers... some say no, some say no problem... (Logically one loc shouldn't draw more than 1.2VA??)

Sam
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Offline 7gauges  
#16 Posted : 28 April 2005 21:27:48(UTC)
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I think you'll need the other MS controller 1.9 vA as well as the correct transformer and the correct ugly box.

This is what you will need, in my opinion:
6001 or 60055 Transformer 60VA 120 Volt N05 86,40 € KB 60111 Anschlussbox Spur 1 N04 20,40 € KB
60126 N/A Verlängerungskabel Systems 2m N05 10,00 € KB
60652 H0 Mobile Station+Basis+Adapter N04 123,50 € KB

Or you could go for this (Uhlenbrock):

65400 IB-Control 248,00 €

Or (Marklin):

6021 & 6001 from Ebay for less than 150 dollars.

The engines you are talking about have the old decoders and don't need the new digital controls to operate well. I'd ask modellzentrum if the have a package deal they can make for you - they are usually pretty good with that.



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Offline Sam  
#17 Posted : 29 April 2005 01:21:43(UTC)
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Well, I have some of the items you list - 6001, 60111 on their way already, along with some 90' of track from Eisenbahn trains (Jan's company) soon, but I've been told by more than one dealer that the 1.2VA MS is enough to power one loc... it would seem that if a 1.9 can power 2-3, that a 1.2 can power just the 1.

more over, why do you recommend the 60125/126, I don't believe the 60125 is available yet, is it?

....but maybe my problem will be solved and my CS will ship before 2010!!!!!! [:(]

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Offline john black  
#18 Posted : 29 April 2005 02:51:18(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by McLae
<br />Keep an eye on the neighbor's garage door. If it opens ...


Can't happen - garage door transmitters work with selective signals

John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline john black  
#19 Posted : 29 April 2005 02:55:02(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sam
<br />I've been told by more than one dealer that the 1.2VA MS is enough to power one loc


Why not give 1.2 a try Smile. Well - should they ever release an E94 I'd jump onto that bandwagon, perhaps ... [:p][:p][:p]

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Offline Sam  
#20 Posted : 29 April 2005 04:27:23(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sam
<br />I've been told by more than one dealer that the 1.2VA MS is enough to power one loc


Why not give 1.2 a try Smile. Well - should they ever release an E94 I'd jump onto that bandwagon, perhaps ... [:p][:p][:p]




not exactly the same, but close...
http://www.maerklin.de/p...92&picname=54292.jpg
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Offline john black  
#21 Posted : 29 April 2005 04:49:16(UTC)
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Yeah - very nice Smile

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline 7gauges  
#22 Posted : 30 April 2005 01:27:23(UTC)
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I dunno - but if your spending 1000 euros on a loco why not spent 99 on a dedicated controller - especially if they recommended the 1.9 A model.

The engines are much heavier and have larger motors (therefore higher current draws)- than the tiny HO models.

Also bear in mind that the larger track lengths from feeder point with 1 gauge result in higher resistance and therefore digital signal degradation - I've seen this effect with the 6021 - I just added another feeder point in my case, and a booster - and used Maerklin's special track clips to ensure a safe adequate connection. If anything you'd have an extra controller for your kids to run trains with on the HO layout.
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Offline Sam  
#23 Posted : 30 April 2005 08:49:04(UTC)
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1000 euro is a fraction of what I've just spent.. between two locs and the rolling stock, track, accessories we're at 4000+

Ok, you have me convinced, so now I'm going to end up with two MS's and a CS soon! At least I can connect them all together though and run 4 different locs at once.

I have a source that will sell me a 1.9MS for $110... I'll order it now. I also will order the clips you mention.

Thanks 7... any other advice you have, now is the time..
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Offline 7gauges  
#24 Posted : 30 April 2005 22:29:20(UTC)
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Are the displays on the 1.9A controllers backlit? - I might acquire one also if that were the case - I'm with you on the trains though, the high commnad took delivery of 5 parcels: the E91, the Br56, the Berlin commuter train, the Hindenburgdamm set and two freight cars ... good thing I had a work social to attend last night. Had to buy some flowers today. The RR budget is pretty much done for the year.

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Offline Sam  
#25 Posted : 01 May 2005 08:30:32(UTC)
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I am told it is identical to the 1.2Amp model except the capacitor inside is larger on the one.. It is massively frustrating that Marklin would do such a stupid thing!

Anyway, I have to wait a good month for all of my stuff to start to trickle in from the big D, so when it does.. I'll report back, and maybe even post some pics!
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Offline Sam  
#26 Posted : 01 May 2005 23:51:06(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sam
<br />I've been told by more than one dealer that the 1.2VA MS is enough to power one loc


Why not give 1.2 a try Smile. Well - should they ever release an E94 I'd jump onto that bandwagon, perhaps ... [:p][:p][:p]




John, here is something better than an E94... But I've already spent too much, so I'll not be getting it...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/e...item=5963024026&rd=1
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Offline john black  
#27 Posted : 02 May 2005 16:49:03(UTC)
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Drool ... [:p]

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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