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Offline NS1200  
#1 Posted : 26 October 2012 21:46:01(UTC)
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Sometimes railways is about extraordinary locomotives or complete trains,the odd exception,the paradise birds in the crowd.
But most of the time railways is about moving stuff,a great volume of stuff,because moving cargo brings prosperity to nations and the people.
I just bought a prime example of an anonymous hard worker,number 12 of the Maerklin series 00779,the model of the DB standard dry goods car Glmms 64/Gbs 256.
The car does not come cheap at Euro 23.70,but has great detail,including the very tiny securing hooks at the edges.
Two versions can be obtained,a clean "just delivered" version and a weathered version,i bought the latter.
The prototype has corrogated light steel walls.
In real life 300 of them have been built,total length 14.02 mtrs (a 40ft container equals 12 mtrs).
They were in operation day and night,moving all sorts of consolidated cargoes.
The slightly older sister Glmms 61/Gbs 254 had wooden sidewalls,a total of 11,380 of them were built.

It would be a great sight to see 20 of them being pulled by a classic green E150 6 axle DB loco!
The set 00779 has a total of 20 different car numbers,which comes handy.

Hail to the anonymous slaves of the railways,working hard when others sleep in comfort!

Cheers,
Paul.

Edited by moderator 31 October 2012 21:54:15(UTC)  | Reason: For the 2nd time restored by moderator.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#2 Posted : 26 October 2012 23:06:01(UTC)
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Thanks Paul for the photo and description.

It is rather cool that Marklin offer these in new and weathered. I notice they do it for other sets including some US car sets.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline kbvrod  
#3 Posted : 26 October 2012 23:11:09(UTC)
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Slaves?Confused Blink
Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 26 October 2012 23:31:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
It would be a great sight to see 20 of them being pulled by a classic green E150 6 axle DB loco!
The set 00779 has a total of 20 different car numbers,which comes handy.
The set contains 8 clean cars (era III, no DB cookie) and 12 dirty cars (era IV, with DB cookie). All 20 in a single train would look a little bit strange IMHO. I'd rather put 3 or 4 in a mixed freight train.
BTW: DB had BR E 50 locos in era III and BR 150 locos in era IV (I never heard of "E150").

Regards
Tom
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Offline RayF  
#5 Posted : 26 October 2012 23:32:37(UTC)
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To quote from Continental Modeller magazine, "You can never have too many brown vans."

Ray
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Offline kbvrod  
#6 Posted : 26 October 2012 23:44:07(UTC)
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Hi Tom,all,

>The set contains 8 clean cars (era III, no DB cookie) and 12 dirty cars (era IV, with DB cookie). All 20 in a single train would look a little bit strange IMHO. I'd rather put 3 or 4 in a mixed freight train.

I agree.

Funny you should mention the DB 'cookie'BigGrin Wasn't this German/English,sort of -slang- for the Kek?

Dr D




Offline pa-pauls  
#7 Posted : 27 October 2012 13:00:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The set contains 8 clean cars (era III, no DB cookie)......


Regarding Märklin they are from 1966. "Neubauzustand um 1966" but they all have UIC number's, i.e. 151 5 271-1 is this correct for era III ?
Pål Paulsen
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Offline NS1200  
#8 Posted : 27 October 2012 13:34:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
It would be a great sight to see 20 of them being pulled by a classic green E150 6 axle DB loco!
The set 00779 has a total of 20 different car numbers,which comes handy.
The set contains 8 clean cars (era III, no DB cookie) and 12 dirty cars (era IV, with DB cookie). All 20 in a single train would look a little bit strange IMHO. I'd rather put 3 or 4 in a mixed freight train.
BTW: DB had BR E 50 locos in era III and BR 150 locos in era IV (I never heard of "E150").



Tom,

Are you against me by nature?
Why putting critism on my entries all the time?
In Holland we have a saying "spijkers op lager water zoeken",meaning "looking for nails at low tide".

Every time i place a topic on this forum people like you can only place negative comments,and i am really fed up with that!
Other negative people have thanked you for your comments,well that is obvious to me because negative people seem to get together everywhere you go.
With all your critism you youself must be a perfect person,living in a perfect country.
Well,good luck to you!

Paul.

Settle down Paul. Tom is just trying to educate everyone on the correct loco names for a given era - he is not picking on you! I know I use the 'E' term rather loosely and I think Tom has also corrected me regarding that in the past.

Also, one of the moderators has restored parts of your posts to maintain the thread continuity. Please do not re-delete what the moderators have restored. /BDNZ

Edited by moderator 31 October 2012 23:12:56(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline NS1200  
#9 Posted : 27 October 2012 13:37:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi Tom,all,

>The set contains 8 clean cars (era III, no DB cookie) and 12 dirty cars (era IV, with DB cookie). All 20 in a single train would look a little bit strange IMHO. I'd rather put 3 or 4 in a mixed freight train.

I agree.

Funny you should mention the DB 'cookie'BigGrin Wasn't this German/English,sort of -slang- for the Kek?

Dr D






Another negative comment from you referring to an entry made by me!
What is your problem?
What do you know about Maerklin in the USA that you have to speak against me all the time?
I placed an entry about a Maerklin car i purchased,that is all.
Why placing all these negative comments all the time?
I just can not get it.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline kbvrod  
#10 Posted : 27 October 2012 14:07:12(UTC)
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That was reply to HO (Tom)Blink
Offline RayF  
#11 Posted : 27 October 2012 14:34:19(UTC)
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Hi Paul,

I totally agree with you that it has become impossible to post anything without someone coming up with some criticism of what has been posted. I am totally fed up with reading entries that only have corrections ("It's not a Br18, it's a Br18.1", or "That loco never pulled those coaches in that colour", or "You don't write E150, it's either E 50 or Br 150").

Maybe it's time I started to correct people. Next time someone says they changed the "anker" on their motor I'll scream!

Tom, in particular, should know better, given the slogan he sports on his signature. Suely this is a case of "Do what I say and not what I do"...
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline RayF  
#12 Posted : 27 October 2012 14:41:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Slaves?Confused Blink


Kevin, can you explain what you find remarkable about Paul's choice of word? I take it to mean overworked and under-appreciated, like a slave would have been.
Ray
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Offline Marty  
#13 Posted : 27 October 2012 16:14:27(UTC)
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I think the set would look great behind an E50, too!
Marty
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Offline FMS  
#14 Posted : 27 October 2012 16:27:42(UTC)
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Nice!
Regards
FMS
Offline RayF  
#15 Posted : 27 October 2012 17:02:22(UTC)
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Nice photo, Marty.

I guess a Br150 with a long train of brown vans can be prototypical then...
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline kbvrod  
#16 Posted : 27 October 2012 19:20:01(UTC)
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Hi all,
Pål,

>Regarding Märklin they are from 1966. "Neubauzustand um 1966" but they all have UIC number's, i.e. 151 5 271-1 is this correct for era III ?<

Modellers,not the railroads refer more to Epochs/Era's.Wink

An ICU number would be considered Era 4.

Dr D
Offline kbvrod  
#17 Posted : 27 October 2012 19:24:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Slaves?Confused Blink


Kevin, can you explain what you find remarkable about Paul's choice of word? I take it to mean overworked and under-appreciated, like a slave would have been.


Hi Ray, all,
Do I have to define the words?Blink

Is Google broken?

Dr D
Offline RayF  
#18 Posted : 27 October 2012 19:44:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Slaves?Confused Blink


Kevin, can you explain what you find remarkable about Paul's choice of word? I take it to mean overworked and under-appreciated, like a slave would have been.


Hi Ray, all,
Do I have to define the words?Blink

Is Google broken?

Dr D


Well, we all know what slaves are. I'm just wondering why you choose to question Paul's metaphorical use of the word here. Maybe you just don't like answering a straight question...
Ray
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Offline kbvrod  
#19 Posted : 27 October 2012 19:53:27(UTC)
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Hi Ray,all,

>Well, we all know what slaves are. I'm just wondering why you choose to question Paul's metaphorical use of the word here.<

I wondered about that.If we allknow,then another choice of words would be more appropriate?Don't you think?
Metaphorical:1. A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison


>Maybe you just don't like answering a straight question...<

Your right,I never have on this forum.Glare

Dr D
Offline RayF  
#20 Posted : 27 October 2012 20:24:08(UTC)
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Never mind, I'm sorry I asked.

Jesus....
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline kbvrod  
#21 Posted : 27 October 2012 20:34:57(UTC)
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Great comeback!
Offline pa-pauls  
#22 Posted : 27 October 2012 21:01:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
An ICU number would be considered Era 4.


Thank's, that was also my understanding of it.

Pål Paulsen
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Offline RayF  
#23 Posted : 27 October 2012 21:12:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Great comeback!


Is every one of your posts intended to provoke an argument? I was quite willing to let this go, but you keep coming back with snide remarks. Why don't you just say what you think?

Do you have a problem with the use of the word "slave"? There are many uses of the word that don't imply any disrespect to former human slaves or their descendents, if that's what bothers you. Have you ever heard the phrase "Slaving over a hot stove"?...or maybe you have a second Mobile Station which is "slaved" to the "master"?

I just think that Paul made an innocent remark in his first post which you jumped on rather violently, and I wanted to hear why you had made a fuss of Paul's use of the word Slave.

Now, maybe you could give us an intelligent and respectful answer, but if you don't, then I really do give up, and any respect I may have had for your opinions will be totally gone.
Ray
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Offline RayF  
#24 Posted : 27 October 2012 21:18:28(UTC)
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Now I see that Paul has deleted his post. I can see why he was upset, but isn't it a shame that we have lost a piece of information that was valuable and informative.

Paul, I'm sorry if my contributions may have added to your reason for deleting the post. I hope not, as I was trying to defend you.

I guess there's no need to continue this thread now.
Ray
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Offline kbvrod  
#25 Posted : 27 October 2012 21:32:52(UTC)
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Hi all,

>Is every one of your posts intended to provoke an argument?<

No discussion.Problem with that?

> I was quite willing to let this go,<

Then why don't you?

>Do you have a problem with the use of the word "slave"? There are many uses of the word that don't imply any disrespect to former human slaves or their descendents, if that's what bothers you. Have you ever heard the phrase "Slaving over a hot stove"?...or maybe you have a second Mobile Station which is "slaved" to the "master"?<

That went right over your head.

>I just think that Paul made an innocent remark in his first post which you jumped on rather violently, and I wanted to hear why you had made a fuss of Paul's use of the word Slave.<

See above.Wait,see below,...

>Now, maybe you could give us an intelligent and respectful answer, but if you don't, then I really do give up, and any respect I may have had for your opinions will be totally gone.<

So it goes.

Dr D

Offline kbvrod  
#26 Posted : 27 October 2012 21:37:02(UTC)
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Hi all,

>Now I see that Paul has deleted his post. I can see why he was upset, but isn't it a shame that we have lost a piece of information that was valuable and informative.<

You mean Paul who has had his posts deleted from this forum?The WW2,political postsConfused

>I guess there's no need to continue this thread now.<

Yet you do. Ho-hum.

Dr D

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#27 Posted : 31 October 2012 23:09:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I guess a Br150 with a long train of brown vans can be prototypical then...


I think they were also known to haul the brown ErzIII ore cars.
Offline H0  
#28 Posted : 01 November 2012 00:21:31(UTC)
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Dear Paul!
Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Are you against me by nature?
No, I’m not.

Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
With all your critism you youself must be a perfect person,living in a perfect country.
No, I’m not perfect. I’m just trying to use correct, precise terms. You give the exact price ("Euro 23.70") and the exact length ("14.02 mtrs"), but you don't care about exact loco class names. I will try to remember that.

Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Why putting critism on my entries all the time?
I’m trying to provide constructive criticism.
The set in question contains cars from different decades. I thought this was worth mentioning - some do care about those details, some don’t.
Instead of combining 12 dirty and 8 clean cars from different decades, users can buy 24 dirty cars or 16 or 24 clean cars (just ignore the duplicated or triplicated numbers) - or buy just 3, 4, or 5 for a mixed train.
Those who are happy with 12 dirty and 8 clean cars surely can do that - their compromise is the different age of the cars.

Difficult to compose a train of more than 10 cars without compromises (duplicated numbers, different ages or whatever). Everybody should be allowed to talk about her/his preferred solution. Sharing ideas will inspire other ideas.
Regards
Tom
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