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Offline BrandonVA  
#1 Posted : 08 October 2012 19:12:37(UTC)
BrandonVA

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Hello all,

I was wondering if Marklin ever made any steam or diesel locomotives suitable for DB TEE service. I have some coaches (such as 4095) for the TEE, but I do not have catenary on my layout, and I don't really have any intention of installing it at the moment. I know typically the TEE would see electric service, but I did see 30747, which is a DB 218 in red and creme colours. I know only one 218 was painted in this scheme. Are there any other locos suitable for the TEE that arn't electric?

Thanks,
Brandon
Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 08 October 2012 19:49:40(UTC)
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Hi, Brandon,

The BR 218 is not suitable for TEE services - at least not 218 217 despite its TEE livery (unless you want to run a museum train).

V 200 or BR 210 are prototypically correct for certain TEE trains (two or three coaches will do).

V 200 was also used for the 1962 Rheingold.
Regards
Tom
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Offline BrandonVA  
#3 Posted : 08 October 2012 20:44:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi, Brandon,

The BR 218 is not suitable for TEE services - at least not 218 217 despite its TEE livery (unless you want to run a museum train).

V 200 or BR 210 are prototypically correct for certain TEE trains (two or three coaches will do).

V 200 was also used for the 1962 Rheingold.


Tom,

Thank you, you save me the cost of getting 218 217, as I don't have much interest running a museum train.

As far as V200/BR210 being prototypically correct, what would be the best paint scheme? Would it be the typical DB era III red/black?
Offline jvuye  
#4 Posted : 08 October 2012 21:34:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi, Brandon,

The BR 218 is not suitable for TEE services - at least not 218 217 despite its TEE livery (unless you want to run a museum train).

V 200 or BR 210 are prototypically correct for certain TEE trains (two or three coaches will do).

V 200 was also used for the 1962 Rheingold.


Hi Tom, Brandon and all,
Maybe this one doesn't count Confused Wink ....but for some time the Bavaria TEE was pulled by BR 218 or BR 210, between Munich and Lindau, over the Allgäubahn, ...(see pic below)
This was the replacement TEE composition put together in a hurry after the Aitrang disaster which destroyed one of the five RAm TEE (the SBB n° 501)
The same train was taken over by an SBB Re 4/4 I, which also eventually appeared in TEE livery.
Eventually, the SBB Wr was also painted in TEE colors...
I think it is definitely *possible* that 218 217 *could have* pulled that train too on a bright day...Smile
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jvuye attached the following image(s):
BavariaTEE 1971.jpg
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Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 08 October 2012 21:39:22(UTC)
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The V200 or BR210 in the black/red livery would be the livery of diesels used to pull select TEE trains during the period 1962-1974.
After 1974, it is possible that some of these loks would be in the new blue/beige livery.

In Switzerland, from 1962 to 1972, the Rheingold was pulled by a green Re 4/4I with an applied TEE symbol on the front. The red/beige Re 4/4Is only appeared starting in 1972. The Re 4/4II in the TEE livery was used to pull the TEE Roland, TEE Arbalete and TEE Helvetia starting in 1969.

This site has a lot of information about the makeup of TEE trains:
http://www.heinrich-hank...bahn/reisezuege/_tee.htm
http://www.heinrich-hank...bahn/zugbildung/_tee.htm
http://www.heinrich-hank...enbahn/zugbildung/_d.htm

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 08 October 2012 23:31:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
I think it is definitely *possible* that 218 217 *could have* pulled that train too on a bright day...Smile
Neither photos nor eye witnesses back this theory. You can still run that combination on your layout.

Regards
Tom
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Offline vtmikev  
#7 Posted : 09 October 2012 02:28:59(UTC)
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