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Offline sop  
#1 Posted : 17 July 2011 13:54:49(UTC)
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I have an Roco E-Lock 43876 E17 for MArklin but it is analog . How can upgrade to Marklin digital?
Somebody help me ?

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#2 Posted : 17 July 2011 15:15:54(UTC)
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I have an Roco E-Lock 43876 E17 for MArklin but it is analog . How can upgrade to Marklin digital?
Somebody help me ?

thank


Hi Sop,

43876 seems to already have a decoder:

>> Roco E17 <<

So, if it's not sufficicient, yo have to replace it,
by an ESU lokpilot V4 for example.

Check the manual of the loco to see if there is really the 8 poles socket inside
(as written on the link I've found) to replace the decoder.

Regards
Joël
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#3 Posted : 17 July 2011 16:09:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sop Go to Quoted Post
I have an Roco E-Lock 43876 E17 for MArklin but it is analog . How can upgrade to Marklin digital?
Somebody help me ?

thank


Hi Sop,

43876 seems to already have a decoder:

>> Roco E17 <<

So, if it's not sufficicient, yo have to replace it,
by an ESU lokpilot V4 for example.

Check the manual of the loco to see if there is really the 8 poles socket inside
(as written on the link I've found) to replace the decoder.

Regards
Joël


HI

hi

I have reference model "Roco 10739 Digital-Lokdekoder", but it is not clear it is not fully compatible?
Do you have comments?
I've checked, it has 8 poles socket inside.

"Roco HO Artnr. 10739 Digital-Lokdekoder, speziell für Wechselstrom-Modelle mit Schnittstelle und Gleichstrommotor, passend zum Märklin-Digital-Sytem ( Motorola-Format). Geeignet für Digital- und Analogbetrieb. Ohne Lastregelung. Licht getrennt schaltbar, Anfahrschwelle einstellbar, Beschleunigungs- und Bremsweg getrennt programmierbar. Anschlußfertig mit Kabel und Stecker für Schnittstellen nach NMRA R.P.9.1.1. und NEM 650/652. Mit Schalter zum einstellen der Lokadressen ( 80 Adressen ). Mit Betriebsanleitung. Nicht bespielt, in Orginalverpackung. "

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Offline river6109  
#4 Posted : 17 July 2011 16:13:29(UTC)
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Sop,

this loco has a digital cicuit board,

all you need is a decoder


have a look here:

http://www.bahn.hfkern.de/Roco/Dt_E117.html

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#5 Posted : 17 July 2011 16:27:26(UTC)
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...

I have reference model "Roco 10739 Digital-Lokdekoder", but it is not clear it is not fully compatible?
Do you have comments?
I've checked, it has 8 poles socket inside.

"Roco HO Artnr. 10739 Digital-Lokdekoder, speziell für Wechselstrom-Modelle mit Schnittstelle und Gleichstrommotor, passend zum Märklin-Digital-Sytem ( Motorola-Format). Geeignet für Digital- und Analogbetrieb. Ohne Lastregelung. Licht getrennt schaltbar, Anfahrschwelle einstellbar, Beschleunigungs- und Bremsweg getrennt programmierbar. Anschlußfertig mit Kabel und Stecker für Schnittstellen nach NMRA R.P.9.1.1. und NEM 650/652. Mit Schalter zum einstellen der Lokadressen ( 80 Adressen ). Mit Betriebsanleitung. Nicht bespielt, in Orginalverpackung. "

thank


Well, everyone found the same link...
Your decoder is then Märklin-Digital fully compatible - for the Motorola period.
It evolved a bit since.
I'm not a digital specialist, but this decoder surely recognize automatically digital or analog mode.
So the only think to do to drive in digital is to find and enter the factory digital loco address of
your locomotive in your digital station...
Regards
Joël

PS: I don' understand if you have this 10739 decoder or if you have to buy it. Is the 8 poles socket inside
only covered by a small circuit board (to allow connexions) or do you have the decoder with its eight wires really connected ?
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#6 Posted : 17 July 2011 17:12:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sop Go to Quoted Post

...


PS: I don' understand if you have this 10739 decoder or if you have to buy it. Is the 8 poles socket inside
only covered by a small circuit board (to allow connexions) or do you have the decoder with its eight wires really connected ?


I have pictures hope you will understand
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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 17 July 2011 18:39:28(UTC)
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Hi, Sop,

Don't buy a 10739 decoder, get a modern decoder with 8-pin plug instead.
Which controller do you use?
Regards
Tom
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#8 Posted : 17 July 2011 18:47:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sop Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: sop Go to Quoted Post

...


PS: I don' understand if you have this 10739 decoder or if you have to buy it. Is the 8 poles socket inside
only covered by a small circuit board (to allow connexions) or do you have the decoder with its eight wires really connected ?


I have pictures hope you will understand
...

Thanks for the picture.

I found on the web a picture of the 10379:
http://cgi.ebay.ch/ROCO-LENZ-10739-DIGITAL-DECODER-AC-LOKS-Y176-/140484948949?pt=DE_Modellbau_Modelleisenbahnen&hash=item20b58e33d5

It doesn't seem to be the same.
Looks like you have only four wires - just for an analog reversing unit ?

My knowledge for roco locos stops here.

by the way, as you have this 8 pin NEM socket,
you will be able to add every modern digital decoder.

Hoping someone other more digitally involved can help...

Regards
Joël

I agree Don't buy a 10739 decoder !
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Offline sop  
#9 Posted : 17 July 2011 19:13:17(UTC)
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Hi, Sop,

Don't buy a 10739 decoder, get a modern decoder with 8-pin plug instead.
Which controller do you use?


HI

I use the controller "mobile station" of marklin
Give me ideas? AC modules because it can not control the speed, direction, lights on the Mobile Station

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Offline sop  
#10 Posted : 17 July 2011 19:15:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: sop Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: sop Go to Quoted Post

...


PS: I don' understand if you have this 10739 decoder or if you have to buy it. Is the 8 poles socket inside
only covered by a small circuit board (to allow connexions) or do you have the decoder with its eight wires really connected ?


I have pictures hope you will understand
...

Thanks for the picture.

I found on the web a picture of the 10379:
http://cgi.ebay.ch/ROCO-LENZ-10739-DIGITAL-DECODER-AC-LOKS-Y176-/140484948949?pt=DE_Modellbau_Modelleisenbahnen&hash=item20b58e33d5

It doesn't seem to be the same.
Looks like you have only four wires - just for an analog reversing unit ?

My knowledge for roco locos stops here.

by the way, as you have this 8 pin NEM socket,
you will be able to add every modern digital decoder.

Hoping someone other more digitally involved can help...

Regards
Joël

I agree Don't buy a 10739 decoder !


thanks for your information

Sop
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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 17 July 2011 20:26:29(UTC)
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AC modules because it can not control the speed, direction, lights on the Mobile Station

The loco came with an electronic reversing unit for analogue operation - and I guess that's what you still have.

I would buy an ESU decoder that support MM, DCC, and SX protocols (#54610 for v4.0 or #52610 for v3.0) - even if you have an old Mobile Station that does not support DCC.
Others might recommend mfx decoders (but changing load regulation parameters with a Mobile Station won't be easy).
And others will recommend other brands ...
Regards
Tom
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"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Offline sop  
#12 Posted : 19 July 2011 03:21:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sop Go to Quoted Post
AC modules because it can not control the speed, direction, lights on the Mobile Station

The loco came with an electronic reversing unit for analogue operation - and I guess that's what you still have.

I would buy an ESU decoder that support MM, DCC, and SX protocols (#54610 for v4.0 or #52610 for v3.0) - even if you have an old Mobile Station that does not support DCC.
Others might recommend mfx decoders (but changing load regulation parameters with a Mobile Station won't be easy).
And others will recommend other brands ...


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