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Kevin Weis		#1 Posted : 10 February 2011 02:27:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: Maryland		All, Recently aquired a 3311 that apparently is one of the earlier models. According to the first year of production in the 87/88 catalog it advertises that this unit is set up for installation of a #20 sleuth smoke unit. In the operators manual which came with the loco identifing models 3311, 3511, and 3611 it makes no mention of a smoke unit intended for this model(s). I'm confused by this. I have not taken the loc apart to see if indeed a smoke unit can be installed, but by visual inspection on the outside it seems one can be put in without much difficulty. Maybe a few years after production started it was determined that a smoke unit did not work well with this model??? If anyone can shed some light on this would be much appreciated. Regards, Kevin
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Kevin Weis		#2 Posted : 10 February 2011 02:39:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: Maryland		Sorry, should be Seuthe not Sleuth .
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BR01097		#3 Posted : 10 February 2011 04:39:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 228 Location: Denver, Colo. USA		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis All, Recently aquired a 3311 that apparently is one of the earlier models. According to the first year of production in the 87/88 catalog it advertises that this unit is set up for installation of a #20 sleuth smoke unit. In the operators manual which came with the loco identifing models 3311, 3511, and 3611 it makes no mention of a smoke unit intended for this model(s). I'm confused by this. I have not taken the loc apart to see if indeed a smoke unit can be installed, but by visual inspection on the outside it seems one can be put in without much difficulty. Maybe a few years after production started it was determined that a smoke unit did not work well with this model??? If anyone can shed some light on this would be much appreciated. Regards, Kevin Does not allow for installation of a smoke unit according to the catalogue. Another way to verify this is to shine a penlight down its smokestack. If you see a copper-colored metal tongue, then it accepts a smoke unit.
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Kevin Weis		#4 Posted : 11 February 2011 04:30:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: Maryland		Well, took the shell off and found no contact tongue for a smoke generator to be able to contact. Conclusion is that a smoke unit was allowed for in the first through maybe the second year of production only. Dosen't make sense why they would discontinue the smoke unit for this model. Maybe it took too much voltage away from the motor???? 87/88 HO catalog for the first production year of this model (3311) does say it is set up for the #20 smoke unit . All other catalogs thereafter make no mention of it. Regards, Kevin
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H0		#5 Posted : 11 February 2011 07:44:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,272 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis 87/88 HO catalog for the first production year of this model (3311) does say it is set up for the #20 smoke unit . Maybe they tried to include the contact, but failed. Catalogue says that E 69 comes with interior details - but no, you see the PCB inside the cab.
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Hemmerich		#6 Posted : 12 February 2011 23:48:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis Conclusion is that a smoke unit was allowed for in the first through maybe the second year of production only. No. Quote: Dosen't make sense... Correct - such conclusion are senseless. Quote: 87/88 HO catalog for the first production year of this model (3311) does say it is set up for the #20 smoke unit. No, never said so (unless you got a very special catalog different from any other; would be interesting to see that). The reason why this model was never offered nor produced with the option for a smoker is known internally; however someone with adequate skills can retrofit the model.
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nevw		#7 Posted : 13 February 2011 01:27:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis Conclusion is that a smoke unit was allowed for in the first through maybe the second year of production only. No. Quote: Dosen't make sense... Correct - such conclusion are senseless. Quote: 87/88 HO catalog for the first production year of this model (3311) does say it is set up for the #20 smoke unit. No, never said so (unless you got a very special catalog different from any other; would be interesting to see that). The reason why this model was never offered nor produced with the option for a smoker is known internally; however someone with adequate skills can retrofit the model. Dear Lutzie, you are wrong again: from the 87-88 Catalogue (English Version: Edited by user 14 February 2011 09:21:34(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified nevw attached the following image(s):
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Kevin Weis		#8 Posted : 13 February 2011 03:06:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: Maryland		Yes, the 1987/88 E (english version) catalog is what I'm referring to. I'm thinking now it was a typo and there never was any production of this model actually equiped for a smoke unit. Still a beautifull looking and running loc . Regards, Kevin
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TimR		#9 Posted : 13 February 2011 09:10:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		A bit off topic: What's the difference of this model to 3511 again?
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Bigdaddynz		#10 Posted : 13 February 2011 10:45:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis I'm thinking now it was a typo... Well, if it was a typo, then Marklin repeated the typo in the 87/88 French edition catalog, because it says the same thing there.... Users.net Users 2 Lutz 0
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H0		#11 Posted : 13 February 2011 10:56:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,272 Location: DE-NW		It's not a typo. Maybe something was "gained in translation". Or the German text may have been changed after translation. Could also be a "copy'n'paste" error, maybe during translation. I don't have a German '87/'88 catalogue, therefore I can't check what it reads.
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Bigdaddynz		#12 Posted : 13 February 2011 10:59:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Hmmmm 1987/88......did they have "copy'n'paste" then......?
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H0		#13 Posted : 13 February 2011 11:38:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,272 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Hmmmm 1987/88......did they have "copy'n'paste" then......? Those were the days of MS Word 3 and 4. DOS, not Windows. I admit I don't recall if Word had a clipboard - but I think it did. They probably used a bigger publishing system for the catalogue, but maybe they used PCs to edit and translate the texts. I got my first PC in 1988. Later I ran Windows 2.03 on it ... The IBM PC has it's 30th birthday this year.
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Kevin Weis		#14 Posted : 13 February 2011 17:46:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: Maryland		TimR, the 3511 is also analog but had the upgraded 5 star ***** electronics which provided adjustable acceleration and speed constrol as well as anti-slip and automatic load adjustment. I have a 3504 with this and performs very well on grades . I was told this was Marklin's last ditch effort on analog improvements just prior or at the same time their digital units were comming out. I'm really impressed with these 35** units. Would have been nice if they provided this option on more models for analog operation. On this web site there is an old locomotive review for the 3511 that gives mre detail. Very impressive. Regards, Kevin
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Kevin Weis		#15 Posted : 13 February 2011 17:52:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: Maryland		Also interesting to note there are at least 5 versions of this model, 3311, 3411, 3511, 3611, 3711. I think there were also additional versions with slightly different liveries, paint, etc.
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H0		#16 Posted : 13 February 2011 18:51:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,272 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis Also interesting to note there are at least 5 versions of this model, 3311, 3411, 3511, 3611, 3711. Not really. 3311, 3511, and 3611 are different versions of the same era I model. 3411 and 3711 came a few years later, both are different versions of the same era III model. At that time, Märklin offered up to four versions of the same model at the same time. The 1992 catalogue features 3304, 3504, 3604, and 3704 side by side (model of BR 80).
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TimR		#17 Posted : 13 February 2011 21:33:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis TimR, the 3511 is also analog but had the upgraded 5 star ***** electronics which provided adjustable acceleration and speed constrol as well as anti-slip and automatic load adjustment. I have a 3504 with this and performs very well on grades . I was told this was Marklin's last ditch effort on analog improvements just prior or at the same time their digital units were comming out. I'm really impressed with these 35** units. Would have been nice if they provided this option on more models for analog operation. On this web site there is an old locomotive review for the 3511 that gives mre detail. Very impressive. Regards, Kevin Thanks...
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Webmaster		#18 Posted : 13 February 2011 22:15:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		The 3511(and the DRG 3514) was the best analog model with power electronics ever made... Kevin, please do not even compare the analog 5-star 3504 to it, since it really sucks compared to 3511 in analog drive... I myself converted my 3511 to a "3611" with the 3611 board, and it became a lame duck compared to what it was in its analog days... My 3504 got a 6090 decoder set and could then perform as it should in digital... The analog 5-star motor 35xx locos really sucked (and sucked a lot of power from the rails) and were gracefully abandoned after a year or 2 in the M program... Kevin, as you say, it was the last "analog effort of improvement" - but it failed miserably... 3511(and 3514) - the best analog loco ever from M. The 35xx 5-star series locos - Material for digital conversions, nothing else.... In the catalogs, the 3511 (and 3514) were marked as 5-star armature locs, but that is totally wrong, since they had Faulhaber motors and special electronics... And yes, Seuthe #20 was recommended as a smoke unit for the Wuerttemberg C loks in the catalog.
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TimR		#19 Posted : 13 February 2011 22:34:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: Webmaster In the catalogs, the 3511 (and 3514) were marked as 5-star armature locs, but that is totally wrong, since they had Faulhaber motors and special electronics... Hi Juhan, apparently this has been a common "Marklinism" for a couple of decades now. The "5-star" symbol was originally conceived for DCM 5-poler; but Marklin put every other model with faulhaber, Maxon, or other can motor types with the same "5 star" group. I would argue that models with can motor types need a new symbol to differentiate them in the catalog, maybe even splintered off from the current 37xxx range to form 38xxx.
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Hemmerich		#20 Posted : 13 February 2011 23:37:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis Yes, the 1987/88 E (english version) catalog is what I'm referring to. And you'd surely not be surprised when I tell you that I'm referring to the German catalog, opposed to the 1987 German Märklin News Flyer, which contains a great article about this loco prototype and model. Apparently we got what was advertised there for this masterpiece; which is fine for me. Quote: there never was any production of this model actually equiped for a smoke unit. As I told you already.
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Hemmerich		#21 Posted : 13 February 2011 23:51:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Webmaster I myself converted my 3511 to a "3611" with the 3611 board, and it became a lame duck compared to what it was in its analog days... Not surprising at all since the 36xx versions are knowingly based upon the basic analog models; just equipped with a simple digital decoder opposed to the reversing relay.
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nevw		#22 Posted : 13 February 2011 23:53:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich And you'd surely not be surprised when I tell you that I'm referring to the German catalog, opposed to the 1987 German Märklin News Flyer which contains a great article about this loco prototype and model. Apparently we got what was advertised there for this masterpiece; which is fine for me. Then every other language Catalogue was wrong including The German News Flyer ... Naughty Naughty. AND all who brought this loco, outside of Germany, did not get what was advertised.
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Bigdaddynz		#23 Posted : 13 February 2011 23:55:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich And you'd surely not be surprised when I tell you that I'm referring to the German catalog.... Another prize example of Märklin's left hand not knowing what their right hand is doing!
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nevw		#24 Posted : 14 February 2011 00:06:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich The reason why this model was never offered nor produced with the option for a smoker is known internally; Lutz, if there was a good reason why this model was not fited with the Smoke Generator as advertised can you enlighten us why? You do infer that there was a reason for not doing so and that you know that reason. I am sure that members here would be interested to know what that reason was. nn
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Hemmerich		#25 Posted : 14 February 2011 00:28:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Another prize example of Märklin's left hand not knowing what their right hand is doing! Märklin's folks knew very well what they were doing there, but it's another prize example that still today some people even here don't really read and understand the catalog remark "changes and delivery reserved". BTW: Although the model was advertised first time in 1987, its delivery was already then announced only for 1988. That's why it was again indicated as "N"ew item in the 1988 catalogs (which I was referring to); correctly as delivered without reference to the smoker.
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kbvrod		#26 Posted : 14 February 2011 00:48:09(UTC) Retweet
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nevw		#27 Posted : 14 February 2011 01:07:37(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#28 Posted : 14 February 2011 02:22:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich "changes and delivery reserved". You seem to use that excuse for an awful lot of things. It was funny the first time, but now it's becoming a bit boring! Edited by user 14 February 2011 08:17:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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old toot		#29 Posted : 14 February 2011 08:08:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 498 Location: christchurch, canterbury		of well put either a 7226/5mm or 72270/3.5 and wire it in and fill it with "grass" and enjoy the smoke and put a small resistor on the smaller one as this stops them burning out we have had quite a few do that and found the resistor stops that happening happy smoking old toot
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jvuye		#30 Posted : 14 February 2011 08:22:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich ... but it's another prize example that still today some people even here don't really read and understand the catalog remark "changes and delivery reserved". Lutz, I cannot fathom why someone with a superior intelligence like yours still bothers hanging around here, with brainless idiots like us. Outstanding knowledge has never been an excuse for blunt arrogance. Believe it or not, everyone understands your pervert mind game: it doesn't fool anybody anymore, except maybe yourself! Why don't you take a hike? For good!
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nevw		#31 Posted : 14 February 2011 09:19:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich No. Correct - such conclusion are senseless. No, never said so (unless you got a very special catalog different from any other; would be interesting to see that). The reason why this model was never offered nor produced with the option for a smoker is known internally; however someone with adequate skills can retrofit the model. Dear Lutzie, you are wrong again: from the 87-88 Catalogue (English Version: Lutz looking at your diabtribe on this topic , you say that the smoker was not mentioned in the 87/88 catalogue and we must have a special one. We showed you the entry nad then you claim it was the german calalogue that you were referring to, however you have not given visual proof of that. would you be so kind as to do so. Also the 3311 did not get a mention in the 88/89 Book. Dear Lutzie, you are wrong again: from the 87-88 Catalogue (English Version: We all know that you are trying to provoke an argument so that you can complain that members are making personal attacks on you personage. Just stop it. Stefan had the correct cure. NN nevw attached the following image(s):
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Bigdaddynz		#32 Posted : 14 February 2011 09:29:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Webmaster And yes, Seuthe #20 was recommended as a smoke unit for the Wuerttemberg C loks in the catalog. Don't worry Nev, Lutz is right and everyone else is wrong, including our esteemed Webmaster. He (Lutz) is incapable of admitting anything else.
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Webmaster		#33 Posted : 14 February 2011 18:44:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		However, in the later 1991-92 catalog - no recommended smoke unit is mentioned. But since the chimney is narrower than the bigger steamers - just like the 3x18(x) BR18.4 - the Seuthe #20 should do the trick, since the normal 7226 is a bit fat to push down - even when using a hammer...
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Kevin Weis		#34 Posted : 15 February 2011 03:10:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 128 Location: Maryland		Thanks for all the responses, good , bad , or indifferent! Being new to Marklin I'm learning a lot. I'll have to stand behind my 3504 though. Sorry Webmaster. It runs very smooth and quiet and seems to run as advertised. But I'm sure the digital version is much better. But who knows, it might blow up tomorrow. This one did come over form accross the pond .
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mvd71		#35 Posted : 15 February 2011 05:53:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,750 Location: Auckland,		Originally Posted by: Webmaster However, in the later 1991-92 catalog - no recommended smoke unit is mentioned. But since the chimney is narrower than the bigger steamers - just like the 3x18(x) BR18.4 - the Seuthe #20 should do the trick, since the normal 7226 is a bit fat to push down - even when using a hammer... Well, if the hammer is big enough Actually these nodels convert to digital with a smoke unit really nicely. I have done several for members of our local club and the result was good. The boiler is the correct size for a 72270 smoker (or suethe equivilant). You can use a lokpilot or the old 60905 decoder to drive the loco on digital and you will get excellent results. When I converted the 35** loco's I didn't pay much attention to how one would connect a smoke unit in analogue operation. But as suggested simply running a wire back to a point where you can pick up track power would work. However, be aware that the headlights are LED's and such they run at a different voltage to a smoke unit or normal bulbs, therefore you cannot connect to the headlight feed. To get a wire to run back to the tender, and thus to the pick up shoe can take some effort to make discreet modifications in order to make it fit. Cheers.... Mike.
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jvuye		#36 Posted : 15 February 2011 17:24:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: Hemmerich Quote: 87/88 HO catalog for the first production year of this model (3311) does say it is set up for the #20 smoke unit. No, never said so (unless you got a very special catalog different from any other; would be interesting to see that). The reason why this model was never offered nor produced with the option for a smoker is known internally; however someone with adequate skills can retrofit the model. Dear (not!) Lutz, I guess you'll be "interested" then... The world's history is full of big-mouthed fakes that eventually have gotten into high positions...until someone calls their bluff and they have to swallow their ! It is hard to be "perfekt", isn't it? It is still time to get yourself a life though... jvuye attached the following image(s):
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spitzenklasse		#37 Posted : 15 February 2011 18:03:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,573 Location: ,		When you look down the stack of my 3511, you can see the printed cucuit that feeds the headlights LED's. I also wanted to retrofit a suethe, but after having decoder buzz issues after converting it to a 6091c, I decided to leave well enough alone.
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Elukka		#38 Posted : 15 February 2011 18:18:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/01/2011(UTC) Posts: 124 Location: Finland		Another slightly offtopic question: How difficult would it be to make a contact for a smoke generator and wire it up yourself?
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jvuye		#39 Posted : 15 February 2011 18:39:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: Elukka Another slightly offtopic question: How difficult would it be to make a contact for a smoke generator and wire it up yourself? Not very hard I would guess. I never did it on the 3311, but I did it on the 34059 which is of a similar design (electrically at least!) After fitting it with a Loksound decoder and using one of the extra function outputs to feed the smoke generator, it now has all the whistles and bells(literally!) and when smoke comes out, until now, it hasn't been from the wiring! Cheers Jacques
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nevw		#40 Posted : 15 February 2011 22:20:27(UTC) Retweet
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Webmaster		#41 Posted : 15 February 2011 22:30:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,161		Originally Posted by: Kevin Weis I'll have to stand behind my 3504 though. Sorry Webmaster. It runs very smooth and quiet and seems to run as advertised. Well, different experiences then - that's the food of thought that keeps the forum alive and well... To be honest, I never ran my 3504 that much on the layout I had then, my observations regarding analog 5-star are mainly from the 3518 (BR18.4) and 3528 (E91) with "load" in the form of more than 1m of wagons behind them... My conclusion is that they perform just as well as the "Delta" locos, slow down a lot when going uphill, through curves and such... The 3518 had big troubles going uphill with the Rheingold 4228 set behind it... The 3511 ran like dream though...
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Bigdaddynz		#42 Posted : 15 February 2011 22:42:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,669 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: jvuye It is hard to be "perfekt", isn't it? There's a song that goes... "Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble When you're perfect in every way I can't wait to look in the mirror 'cos I get better looking each day to know me is to love me I must be a hell of a man. O Lord it's hard to be humble but I'm doing the best that I can......" (http://www.pucksgrove.com/oh_lord+m.html) Maybe someone has that as his theme song! Originally Posted by: jvuye It is still time to get yourself a life though... This is his life..... Thanks for posting the image of the German catalog, Jacques, shows we weren't imagining things. And as for "well known internal reasons".......bah humbug!
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nevw		#43 Posted : 15 February 2011 23:01:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Ditto to the above. nn
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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