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Offline TomB  
#1 Posted : 14 November 2012 10:46:00(UTC)
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Hello

I don't know if that would be good news or not, but the biggest toy producer in Germany the Simba-Dickie Gruppe (Bobby-Cars), Schuco and other firms have
negotiated with Pluta for some months and they are reading the books accountings from Märklin.
They expect the negotiations going on until february or march 2013.

http://www.sueddeutsche....in-uebernehmen-1.1522619

http://www.wn.de/Welt/Wi...ill-Maerklin-uebernehmen

http://www.br.de/franken...dickie-maerklin-100.html

http://wirtschaft.t-onli...erklin/id_60904280/index

Edited by user 15 November 2012 06:47:47(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 14 November 2012 14:38:18(UTC)
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Simba-Dickie is to takeover Marklin?

German Text http://www.spielzeuginte...hen-in-richtung-marklin/


Google translate

Fürth/Göppingen. The Bobby-car-manufacturer Simba Dickie wants to take over the marklin model Railroaders. As the "Süddeutsche Zeitung" (Wednesdays Edition) reported the Fürth-based Simba Dickie group negotiated exclusively with the former Märklin insolvency administrator Michael Pluta. A memorandum of understanding on the purchase had already been signed, the sheet quoted a company spokeswoman. Simba-Dickie owner Michael Sieber told the newspaper he was expecting with a conclusion of the takeover talks in February or March 2013. Nothing is known about a possible purchase price. Manager of the family-owned company inspect the Märklin balance sheets these days. The objective is to attract back the brand for children, as well as for collectors of model trains, so Sambo. Märklin went into bankruptcy in 2009, but then managed the renovation of its own power. The company is one the creditor banks Goldman Sachs, BW-Bank Kreissparkasse Göppingen since then mainly. Well 900 people work at the headquarters in Göppingen and in Györ. 2011, sales amounted to €109 million. The Simba Dickie group is Germany's largest toy manufacturer. To the family-owned company (3,700 workers, 640 million euros sales 2011) is one of a dozen famous toy brands such as BIG (Bobby-car), SCHUCO (model vehicles), and foreign brands like Smoby.
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Offline hennabm  
#3 Posted : 14 November 2012 15:15:02(UTC)
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Hi Stephen

Well is this good news or not?

Will the new company (if it hppens) continue to support the older models and what will they produce to attract the younger generations.Confused

Will it mean a cheapening of the product?

Mike
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Offline aos  
#4 Posted : 14 November 2012 15:34:59(UTC)
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It would be nice if Märklin were to put out some sort of publicity statement regarding the proposed take-over. Alan
Offline witzlerh  
#5 Posted : 14 November 2012 15:41:19(UTC)
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I think that the MyWorld idea is the best children's model train initiative in the industry. No one in NA has anything close to this. They would be wise to keep it.

Edited by user 15 November 2012 03:07:06(UTC)  | Reason: Correct typo

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Offline Marius in Africa  
#6 Posted : 14 November 2012 17:30:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi Stephen

Well is this good news or not?

Will the new company (if it hppens) continue to support the older models and what will they produce to attract the younger generations.Confused

Will it mean a cheapening of the product?

Mike


The way i look at it it is quite simple, adapt or die with your existing (and diminishing) customer base. This is basic business philosophy and every long term company have had to face this hurdle. The models and items which sells and generates income will be the items which are produced.

Marius
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Offline danmarklinman  
#7 Posted : 14 November 2012 17:32:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Simba-Dickie is to takeover Marklin?

German Text http://www.spielzeuginte...hen-in-richtung-marklin/


Google translate

Fürth/Göppingen. The Bobby-car-manufacturer Simba Dickie wants to take over the marklin model Railroaders. As the "Süddeutsche Zeitung" (Wednesdays Edition) reported the Fürth-based Simba Dickie group negotiated exclusively with the former Märklin insolvency administrator Michael Pluta. A memorandum of understanding on the purchase had already been signed, the sheet quoted a company spokeswoman. Simba-Dickie owner Michael Sieber told the newspaper he was expecting with a conclusion of the takeover talks in February or March 2013. Nothing is known about a possible purchase price. Manager of the family-owned company inspect the Märklin balance sheets these days. The objective is to attract back the brand for children, as well as for collectors of model trains, so Sambo. Märklin went into bankruptcy in 2009, but then managed the renovation of its own power. The company is one the creditor banks Goldman Sachs, BW-Bank Kreissparkasse Göppingen since then mainly. Well 900 people work at the headquarters in Göppingen and in Györ. 2011, sales amounted to €109 million. The Simba Dickie group is Germany's largest toy manufacturer. To the family-owned company (3,700 workers, 640 million euros sales 2011) is one of a dozen famous toy brands such as BIG (Bobby-car), SCHUCO (model vehicles), and foreign brands like Smoby.


As they make dicast vehicles i should think that Marklin will be ok as Schuco are nice models. bu its good news in my book as its not a Bank!BigGrin
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Offline mike c  
#8 Posted : 14 November 2012 18:01:37(UTC)
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Schuco miniature model cars and trucks have for years been made in China. As far as Maerklin, I have not reason not to believe that the company would also outsource the manufacturing of model train models to a greater degree than the current administration. If the new company would make a pledge to keep the production in it's current locations, this would go a long way towards reassuring me.

Regards

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 14 November 2012 20:34:02(UTC)
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No need for 2 threads on the same topic, so I have merged them both,
Offline steventrain  
#10 Posted : 14 November 2012 20:48:53(UTC)
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Simba-Dickie is buying in Trix/LGB, Not only Marklin.

German text http://www.swr.de/nachri...584084/g3t0wn/index.html

The "Süddeutsche Zeitung" (Wednesdays Edition) had reported that it upon sale to the brand not only Märklin, but go to the subsidiaries of Trix and LGB.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#11 Posted : 14 November 2012 21:20:14(UTC)
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Hi,

The banks are not into making models, and want their money back, and that is their only reason for selling.

I would believe there is a synergy to this Simba group acquiring Marklin. The experience of, and the widening of distribution to, many different wholesale and retail outlets is probably a PLUS for the Marklin/Trix/LGB brand.

regards
Kimball
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Offline BrandonVA  
#12 Posted : 14 November 2012 21:41:11(UTC)
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This is interesting. I do not know anything about the company leading the acquisition, but I think it should probably be a good thing they already have experience in the toy market and are family owned.

-Brandon
Offline nilkram58  
#13 Posted : 14 November 2012 22:01:05(UTC)
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If it's good or not remains to be seen.
Certainly, from my perspective as a modeller, the acquisition and/or merging with a similar model train manufacturer, such as for e.g., Rocco, Fleischmann, etc. would have made more sense, or, even better, a management buy-out led for e.g. by the current Managing Director Mr. Stefan Lobich. In this case, the continuity and the focus of Marklin to the models and the quality we are all used to, would be have been better guaranteed.
If the current, successful IMHO, management is going to be absorbed or fired by the acquiring company, then it will be difficult for Marklin to maintain the today's momentum.
However, I understand that neither of the two above options are offering hot cash to the lending banks, so, these solutions are difficult to be implemented.
So, the best we can hope for, is that the acquiring company leaves intact the today's management and the corporate structure of Marklin, and only charge them on set performances and pre-agreed by both sides Key Performance Indicators.

Akis
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Offline mike187  
#14 Posted : 15 November 2012 23:05:28(UTC)
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From Sima Dickies wen page......

"One thing is clear for Florian Sieber: “The production sector will become more and more important in the company in the coming years as well.” The Simba Dickie Group could therefore continue to grow in the future while simultaneously making itself independent of the Far East, which has been leading the toy production sector so far. Other aspects indicating the expansion of production in Europe include higher flexibility due to shorter transport routes and better monitoring of the entire supply chain in order to guarantee the best quality and ensure capacities in the future as well. Communication is also simpler within the Group due to the geographic proximity. It is therefore another step towards the future of the Group."
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#15 Posted : 16 November 2012 11:53:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

The banks are not into making models, and want their money back, and that is their only reason for selling.

I would believe there is a synergy to this Simba group acquiring Marklin. The experience of, and the widening of distribution to, many different wholesale and retail outlets is probably a PLUS for the Marklin/Trix/LGB brand.

regards
Kimball


I completely agree. The distribution of model trains has to be widened again, in order to attract new customers. Currently, this stuff is sold mostly by very specialized stores. But their number is dwindling, and these are not the kind of stores which will generate the new customers the model train industry so urgently needs (not only Märklin, but all the others too). Even many local toy stores have closed their model train departments.

I think the takeover by Simba-Dickie means good news. Especially if LGB and Trix will return home again (for these two brands, "home" means Nurmberg/Fürth, and not Göppingen).

Regards,
Florian
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Offline nilkram58  
#16 Posted : 16 November 2012 12:29:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike187 Go to Quoted Post
From Sima Dickies wen page......

"One thing is clear for Florian Sieber: “The production sector will become more and more important in the company in the coming years as well.” The Simba Dickie Group could therefore continue to grow in the future while simultaneously making itself independent of the Far East, which has been leading the toy production sector so far. Other aspects indicating the expansion of production in Europe include higher flexibility due to shorter transport routes and better monitoring of the entire supply chain in order to guarantee the best quality and ensure capacities in the future as well. Communication is also simpler within the Group due to the geographic proximity. It is therefore another step towards the future of the Group."


This is certainly good news, since this was also the strategies that Marklin followed in order to recover from insolvency. So, it seems that their strategy is at least aligned, a fact that could possibly lead to leave the same management in Marklin !

Akis
Offline GlennM  
#17 Posted : 16 November 2012 12:39:22(UTC)
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I know very little of the company concerned, but it is my opinion that Marklin and its subsidiaries stand a better chance within a toy company framework than belonging to a faceless greedy bank.

Fingers crossed

Glenn
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Offline hxmiesa  
#18 Posted : 20 November 2012 10:21:25(UTC)
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Going back to the toy-business sounds very good to me!
Märklin is already doing it the hard way by themselves; This year, for the first time in a decade, did I see Märklin sold in the toy shops in the high streets of Copenhagen!
With Simba-Dickie this tendency could be strengthened further!
I am not comfortable with the groups being "family-owned"; Wasnt that kind of organisation the root-cause for the administrative problems of the "old" Märklin¿?
Production in China is what I would see minimized as much as posible. -For SO many reasons...
Can we see the fact that somebody is seriously considering buying as a sign of generally good times to come (I mean; for the whole world and the economic crisis) ¿?
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Offline I_love_Marklin_37538  
#19 Posted : 21 November 2012 11:17:03(UTC)
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If Simba Dickie buys Marklin,I'll be happy



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Offline kweekalot  
#20 Posted : 21 November 2012 11:41:58(UTC)
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Hi IloveMarklin37538.

Just wondering what this Japanese video and song (Mochizuki Kokuriko-zaka Kara Sayonara no Natsu) has to do with this topic ?? Confused

Marco
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