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vilithejou		#1 Posted : 29 May 2012 15:48:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 840 Location: Vic, Barcelona		The Märklin news 03/2012 is online There we can see the newest new tooling by Märklin A BR 56.2-8 (G8 prusian) Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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RayF		#2 Posted : 29 May 2012 16:13:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Great! I love this loco. I'll get the first non-insider version they make!
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jvuye		#3 Posted : 29 May 2012 16:22:08(UTC) Retweet
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 29 May 2012 16:23:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Second Insider loco BR 56.2-8, Item No. 37563 with matching wagon set 46192. Also Trix club 2012 : 22563 with matching wagons set 24192 Order deadline: 31 July 2012
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steventrain		#5 Posted : 29 May 2012 16:38:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Bachmann Liliput already production BR 56.2-8 as well.
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Ian555		#6 Posted : 29 May 2012 18:15:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,240 Location: Scotland		Hi all, Very nice Loco. Ian.
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jeehring		#7 Posted : 29 May 2012 19:57:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		yesssss ! Good news !
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Goofy		#8 Posted : 29 May 2012 21:21:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,019		No era 1...?
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steventrain		#9 Posted : 29 May 2012 21:32:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Full detail is now on Club 3/2012 magazine online view if you log in with Marklin Club website (Also in English). All are metal included cab!
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NewMB		#10 Posted : 29 May 2012 21:32:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 668 Location: Erftstadt		Originally Posted by: RayF Great! I love this loco. I'll get the first non-insider version they make! They will be on eBay soon.....
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Webmaster		#11 Posted : 29 May 2012 21:47:25(UTC) Retweet
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jeehring		#12 Posted : 29 May 2012 23:49:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: steventrain Full detail is now on Club 3/2012 magazine online view if you log in with Marklin Club website (Also in English). All are metal included cab! Good news ! Last year we had the excellent metal moulding & engraving E17 model ! quality is back for sure ! The last time they have made an "all metal included cab" steamer it was the série K.....12 years ago ! Edited by user 30 May 2012 03:20:06(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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kimballthurlow		#13 Posted : 30 May 2012 00:57:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, This looks really good, running as it was about 1959. It suits my layout, so I had better start saving. One question. Marklin do not have a Trix version for 2 rail? regards Kimball
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Bigdaddynz		#14 Posted : 30 May 2012 00:59:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,665 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow One question. Marklin do not have a Trix version for 2 rail? Kimball, see Stephen's post above! Originally Posted by: steventrain Also Trix club 2012 : 22563 with matching wagons set 24192
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Armando		#15 Posted : 30 May 2012 02:03:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		The description in the insider news says that the locomotive comes with a smoke unit already installed from the factory. Will this be a new trend by Märklin for all new steam locomotives? I do hope so...
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jeehring		#16 Posted : 30 May 2012 03:09:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: Armando The description in the insider news says that the locomotive comes with a smoke unit already installed from the factory. Will this be a new trend by Märklin for all new steam locomotives? I do hope so... ....good ......good .....good for anxious & nervous people.... they won't loose their wheel axles nor break the couplers...while trying to fit the smoke unit...........
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I_love_Marklin_37538		#17 Posted : 30 May 2012 05:25:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 951 Location: ,		I am going to try sneaking in to the Marklin Factory for a freebie
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H0		#18 Posted : 30 May 2012 08:16:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: jeehring Last year we had the excellent metal moulding & engraving E17 model! quality is back for sure! Last year's E 17 was not excellent IMHO - besides my Roco 117 it only looks second best by far. After the disappointment with the E 17, I hesitate to pre-order the BR 56.2.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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RayF		#19 Posted : 30 May 2012 09:28:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: jeehring Last year we had the excellent metal moulding & engraving E17 model! quality is back for sure! Last year's E 17 was not excellent IMHO - besides my Roco 117 it only looks second best by far. After the disappointment with the E 17, I hesitate to pre-order the BR 56.2. You're a difficult person to satisfy, Tom! Fortunately, most of us don't have such demanding standards to uphold.
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jeehring		#20 Posted : 30 May 2012 12:21:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: jeehring Last year we had the excellent metal moulding & engraving E17 model! quality is back for sure! Last year's E 17 was not excellent IMHO - besides my Roco 117 it only looks second best by far. After the disappointment with the E 17, I hesitate to pre-order the BR 56.2. You're a difficult person to satisfy, Tom! ...(...).... ... an euphemism...... ...
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H0		#21 Posted : 30 May 2012 13:47:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: RayF You're a difficult person to satisfy, Tom! Maybe others are too easily satisfied? I'm not complaining about the 05 003. I'm not complaining about the BR 39 Insider model (except for the cost-optimized mfx decoder). I'm not complaining about the BR 03.10 Insider model (except for the cost-optimized mfx decoder). I'm not complaining about the black or golden Insider BR 120 (it's acceptable that they only have two handrails at the front where the prototype has four). But IMHO there is no excuse for making an E 17 where the running axles are misplaced by about three millimetres. Märklin ignored all complaints about this misplacement and only commented the diameter of the running wheels. The roof is not as detailed as with the older Roco model. The Märklin loco is not state of the art - and German MRR press said so and I dare say so. But if you're easily satisfied, feel free to call this an excellent model. They have shown with the E 19.0 that they can do better (so far only sold as 2R Trix models).
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steventrain		#22 Posted : 30 May 2012 14:25:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow One question. Marklin do not have a Trix version for 2 rail? Kimball, see Stephen's post above! Originally Posted by: steventrain Also Trix club 2012 : 22563 with matching wagons set 24192 See front cover of Trix Club 3/2012.
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jeehring		#23 Posted : 30 May 2012 15:12:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: RayF You're a difficult person to satisfy, Tom! Maybe others are too easily satisfied? But IMHO there is no excuse for making an E 17 where the running axles are misplaced by about three millimetres). Oh...last year it was six millimeters ... BTW why you didn't mention the compromise made by Roco....do you believe that Roco made accurately a prototypical model going on 400 mm radius curves without any compromise ? Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: RayF You're a difficult person to satisfy, Tom! Maybe others are too easily satisfied? I'm not complaining about the 05 003. I'm not complaining about the BR 39 Insider model (except for the cost-optimized mfx decoder). I'm not complaining about the BR 03.10 Insider model (except for the cost-optimized mfx decoder). I'm not complaining about the black or golden Insider BR 120 (it's acceptable that they only have two handrails at the front where the prototype has four). The roof is not as detailed as with the older Roco model. ). Are you sure ?...which details ?... Don't you think that it is matter of "separately applied details"...that come with the mold on the Marklin model ? (separately applied VS moulded...).... If you have read my post corectly you'll see that I'm talking about the "excellent moulding & engraving" of the E17...which is a metal body ( Roco E 17 is plastic ). The "opinion" of MRR press is not serious .... they only like advertising campaigns....
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H0		#24 Posted : 30 May 2012 16:59:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: jeehring The "opinion" of MRR press is not serious .... they only like advertising campaigns.... They tend to belittle flaws in models of market leaders. The more remarkable it is that they call a model of the company that always books the back cover ad in their magazine "not state of the art".
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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RayF		#25 Posted : 30 May 2012 17:25:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: RayF You're a difficult person to satisfy, Tom! .... Maybe others are too easily satisfied? .... I would call this a virtue! Tom, don't be offended by my reaction to your post. I value your opinion, on this, as on many other subjects. I just think that sometimes you're very quick to lead with criticism. Perhaps you should be more willing to follow your own signature quote. In this particular case, we don't know anything yet about how good or bad it is, and yet your first reaction is that you are unwilling to order it on the basis of a previous experience. Let's wait and see, shall we?
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steventrain		#26 Posted : 31 May 2012 18:19:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Price. BR56 - 379 Euro, Wagon set 149 Euro.
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RayF		#27 Posted : 31 May 2012 18:59:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Is there a link anywhere to wagon set 46192? I'd like to know what's in it.
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H0		#28 Posted : 31 May 2012 20:44:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		You can watch loco and freight cars in episode 49 on Märklin TV (German version available for Insiders and Outsiders): http://www.maerklin.de/d...chungen/maerklin-tv.html
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pab		#29 Posted : 31 May 2012 20:56:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,752		Very nice. I hoped M would produce a new steamer as a second insider locomotive. They did and I like it.
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steventrain		#30 Posted : 31 May 2012 20:59:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,606 Location: United Kingdom		Thanks for the link with video, Tom.
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kimballthurlow		#31 Posted : 31 May 2012 23:56:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi, I have a feeling I will order the BR 56.2. At 379 Euro, that seems good value, and I need (want?) a small steamer.. Regards the E17, every person on this forum who owns one, has praise for it. I think that speaks volumes, When there is something about a model that irks you, you don't buy it, and that is enough said. If someone asks why you did not buy it (like the Marklin police ), tell them! regards Kimball
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kimballthurlow		#32 Posted : 01 June 2012 01:16:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: RayF Is there a link anywhere to wagon set 46192? I'd like to know what's in it. Hi Ray, 3 open wagons of type Omm52 (built 1952) with timber pit prop loads. Two wagons never produced previously, now with brakemans platform or housing. 1 stake wagon Rr20 with log load. 1 sliding roof wagon Kmmks51, again never produced previously, now with brakemans housing. A rather collectible set I would say. regards Kimball
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H0		#33 Posted : 01 June 2012 07:58:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow When there is something about a model that irks you, you don't buy it, and that is enough said. This won't work if you use the Märklin Insider order forms as intended: by sending them to a dealer before July 31 without seeing more than a handmade sample. I wrote I hesitate to pre-order it. I can still buy it after it hit the shelves and critical reviews are available. That's what I did about the BR 403/404 (a model that was mainly bashed in this forum because hardly anyone likes the prototype) and that's what I'll probably do about the BR 56.2-8. So I'm only following your advice: I won't buy it if I don't like it. I won't order it as long as I'm not sure I will like it. I pre-ordered the E 17 - and I almost regret it. I didn't follow your advice then ...
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kimballthurlow		#34 Posted : 01 June 2012 11:17:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow When there is something about a model that irks you, you don't buy it, and that is enough said. This won't work if you use the Märklin Insider order forms as intended: by sending them to a dealer before July 31 without seeing more than a handmade sample. ...... I won't order it as long as I'm not sure I will like it. I pre-ordered the E 17 - and I almost regret it. I didn't follow your advice then ... Hi Tom, Good point! Yes, you do have to have some blind faith in the model to order it. For Insiders that is a risk they take. I guess most Insiders figure it a very low risk, as there is usually enough pre-release information to decide. regards Kimball
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Davy		#35 Posted : 05 June 2012 04:54:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/08/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,915 Location: Netherlands		I am going to buy this new steamer. The price is correct and the loc has a build in smokegenerator.
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kimballthurlow		#36 Posted : 07 June 2012 01:12:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,669 Location: Brisbane, Australia		The Marklin Insider Club video #49 showed the 46192 freight set, and the loads are well done. Quite different. The Kkmms sliding-roof wagon "appears" to have plastic end rails, and I have sent an email to the Insider Club asking about material used. I think they have a tendency to be adversely effected by bumping and handling, if not metal. regards Kimball
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Frankenbahner		#37 Posted : 08 June 2012 08:49:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 625 Location: Nuremberg, Bavaria		For decades, any manufacturer didn't show the slightest interest in the BR 56.2-8. If someone wanted to add this loco to his collection, he had to do a conversion. Sometimes, such converted locos can be found on (German) Ebay, or on swap markets. Most of these scratch-built models are based on the old Piko model of the BR 55. Now, it is being released by two firms - frist by Liliput, then by Märklin. I just wonder if model train firms still look out what locos are still unreleased as a 1:87 scale model, but rather have a look into the catalogs of their competitors, when considering possible new items. Honestly, I would have rather seen some Bavarian steamer, like this BR 98.4-5, or some other loco which is currently unavailable in 1:87. This little tank loco was avaible from Trix a few years ago, but unfortunately only for DC, and with limited traction power. Regards, Florian
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Frankenbahner		#38 Posted : 08 June 2012 09:02:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 625 Location: Nuremberg, Bavaria		I wrote about scratch-built BR 56.2-8 - and I own such a loco myself. I found this one on Ebay, the new lettering was still missing back then, so it got new number plates from Gaßner. The shell had been assembled of two Piko BR 55 bodies, the chassis is also still Piko, but a leading axle has been added, probably from an old Piko/Gützold BR 52. The tender has remained unchanged (except the new running number, of course). Sure, it doesn't meet today's standards of detailing etc., the Piko BR 55 dates from the '60ies. It still has an old three-pole drum collector motor, which fills the whole cab. Probably, the idea for these conversions came from a model train magazine; in those days, German model train press still published many instructions for scratch-building and for conversions, while nowadays, they are too much fixed on rivet-counting... Regards, Florian
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H0		#39 Posted : 08 June 2012 09:08:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,267 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner I just wonder if model train firms still look out what locos are still unreleased as a 1:87 scale model, but rather have a look into the catalogs of their competitors, when considering possible new items. A model made or announced by a competitor may still promise more profit than a model made by no-one else. Especially for Märklin if they announce it early enough. Especially for BR 56.2-8 where Liliput made a lousy model in the first attempt (even worse than Märklin's E 17 ). I'd like an SVT 04.0 (Flying Hamburger) in the same length scale as Märklin's SVT 04.5 (Bauart Hamburg) - the full length Kato model would not look right beside the Märklin model.
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jeehring		#40 Posted : 08 June 2012 15:07:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow The Marklin Insider Club video #49 showed the 46192 freight set, and the loads are well done. Quite different. ...(...)... regards Kimball Few days before the announcement of a new insider model, I went to a shop and asked : " could you show me some wagons with wooden loads...." Now I'm sure : this one is for me ...
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