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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#1 Posted : 20 February 2012 22:28:04(UTC)
Joseph Meiring

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Had a jolly good weekend fitting interior lights to some of my VERY old passenger coaches - had them for about 40 yrs now - and so decided to go all out and fit lights, (7077 along with the 7198 shoes, and 7320), and fill them up with some passengers as well. What a difference it has made!Smile
A real rewarding bit of labour, just such a pity I waited 40 years to see the light......ThumpUp
Joe
Offline river6109  
#2 Posted : 20 February 2012 23:12:57(UTC)
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Joe,

Some of us don't ever see the lightBigGrin

It does bring some life to it.ThumpUp

regards.,
John
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Offline Ian555  
#3 Posted : 21 February 2012 15:36:04(UTC)
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Hi Joe,

If you have a tunnel on your layout, then you'll always see light at the end of it. Smile

Ian.

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Offline hennabm  
#4 Posted : 21 February 2012 18:17:25(UTC)
hennabm

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Hi Ian

in this case the light at the end of the tunnel may well be a train coming towards you LOL LOL LOL

Mike
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What's digital?
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Offline Ian555  
#5 Posted : 21 February 2012 18:53:23(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mike,

Would that be tunnel vision. LOL

Ian.

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Offline sebastian  
#6 Posted : 21 February 2012 23:55:42(UTC)
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Joe, everybody sees THE light at some point. Some wait longer and some... a lot less to see it.
So by extrapolation, we can surely affirm that at this point, some of your coaches are... ENLIGHTENED.
The absolute big question you will have to ask yourself right now is: Do the passengers see the light?

BigGrin

Enjoy the trains man.

Seb
DRG, DB and SBB
Era II, III and IV
Sincerely,
Sebastian
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Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 22 February 2012 02:12:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Mike,

Would that be tunnel vision. LOL

Ian.



Ian,

being analog it would be a flickering tunnel vision or a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel.

John

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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#8 Posted : 23 February 2012 13:07:35(UTC)
Joseph Meiring

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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Mike,

Would that be tunnel vision. LOL

Ian.



Ian,

being analog it would be a flickering tunnel vision or a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel.

John


As I "converted" to digital, all I have now is CONSTANT tunnel vision...!!Laugh
Joe
Offline GlennM  
#9 Posted : 23 February 2012 14:10:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi Ian

in this case the light at the end of the tunnel may well be a train coming towards you LOL LOL LOL

Mike


In't that a Chinese proverb:

If the light at the end of the tunnel is getting larger, maybe it is time to move.

BR

Glenn
Don't look back, your not heading that way.
Offline Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS  
#10 Posted : 23 February 2012 14:18:37(UTC)
Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS

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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi Ian

in this case the light at the end of the tunnel may well be a train coming towards you LOL LOL LOL

Mike


In't that a Chinese proverb:

If the light at the end of the tunnel is getting larger, maybe it is time to move.

BR

Glenn


Maybe it might even be to late (if it is an ICE 3) Crying BigGrin

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Offline Choobacca  
#11 Posted : 26 February 2012 11:38:38(UTC)
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I'd like lights should be fitted in coaches as standard (and even on some goods wagons!)
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 26 February 2012 14:05:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS Go to Quoted Post
Maybe it might even be to late (if it is an ICE 3) Crying BigGrin
In that case: a "jump to the right" (or left, just away from the track) and then "duck and cover". (Could make a movie quiz of that, but we can't coz it'd be off topic.)

Regards
Tom
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Offline Johnvr  
#13 Posted : 26 February 2012 21:56:52(UTC)
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Joe,

What a delightful train you must have now !

Regards,BigGrin
John
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#14 Posted : 15 March 2012 22:07:55(UTC)
Joseph Meiring

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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring Go to Quoted Post
Had a jolly good weekend fitting interior lights to some of my VERY old passenger coaches - had them for about 40 yrs now - and so decided to go all out and fit lights, (7077 along with the 7198 shoes, and 7320), and fill them up with some passengers as well. What a difference it has made!Smile
A real rewarding bit of labour, just such a pity I waited 40 years to see the light......ThumpUp
Joe

So, last week I went a step further, and added lights to the passenger coach set 43019.
I used a Brawa 3401 LED in each coach, and fed wires thru the 3 coaches into an old 4026 baggage car with a slider 7198. Also dropped a Brawa LED in the baggage car, and simply used the metal body as the earth.
Looks really good, but of course downside is the train has to "stay "together" forever amen!!Huh
Wondering if its possible to find really small "connectors/plugs" that one can use to disengage/engage the coaches.......Confused
Anyway....I'm feeling all lit up from now on folks!!Laugh
Joe



Offline witzlerh  
#15 Posted : 15 March 2012 23:43:38(UTC)
witzlerh

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Joe. I had the same problem with my metal passenger cars where there was cable strung between them that had to be cut.
Well I ordered some SAMTEC Circuit board terminals (male & female) and had tiny female connectors hanging in the vestubule. THe sockets are about 0.100" square x 0.2" long and they hang out. I use black wire and black shrink wrap. (I have since found out that 30% smaller plugs are possible.
I then have a connector strip about 1" long with 2 male plugs on each end.
I would place the cars on the track, unconnected and first connect the connector strip to the cars before connecting the cars. I use a couple of needle nose pliers.
I have had 8 cars done up this way and so far it works. I have tested it out on a S curve found when switching between 2 parrallel tracks.

I will get some pictures and part numbers soon.
Harald
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Offline Nightowl4933  
#16 Posted : 16 March 2012 00:01:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Joe,

If you have a tunnel on your layout, then you'll always see light at the end of it. Smile

Ian.



Unless it's a train coming in the other direction Scared Scared

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Offline witzlerh  
#17 Posted : 17 March 2012 00:05:48(UTC)
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Here is my 1st attempt to have power run through my metal coaches that have lighting. Each train set would have 4-7 cars and 1-2 pick-ups.
I used a small pin and socket from SAMTEC. The parts I got from DigiKey but may be available elsewhere. PN for Socket is SLW-150-01-T-S and for the Pin TLW-150-06-T-S. I carefully snipped them into individual pieces and soldered them on 36 AGW or so wire. I then shrink heated some insulation.

I will shorten the connectors attached to the cars to make them less noticible. I do not provide on on my lit end cars.
It works well but next time I will use SAMTEC's 0.076" pitch connectors. 30% smaller.

Just place the cars on the track, connect the plug-ins and watch the light show.
The following pictures show the cars and connectors. However, I did not have the layout powered.

(pictures will come later)Unsure
Harald
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Offline cookee_nz  
#18 Posted : 17 March 2012 00:15:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Joe Meiring Go to Quoted Post
Had a jolly good weekend fitting interior lights to some of my VERY old passenger coaches - had them for about 40 yrs now - and so decided to go all out and fit lights, (7077 along with the 7198 shoes, and 7320), and fill them up with some passengers as well. What a difference it has made!Smile
A real rewarding bit of labour, just such a pity I waited 40 years to see the light......ThumpUp
Joe


Hi Joe, adding light really brings a new dimension to the operations. I have been starting to install lights into the buildings on my Display Layout and it looks great in the evening, I love night-time scenes.

Cheers

Steve
Melbourne
Cookee
Wellington
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Offline cookee_nz  
#19 Posted : 17 March 2012 00:17:41(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: witzlerh Go to Quoted Post
Here is my 1st attempt to have power run through my metal coaches that have lighting. Each train set would have 4-7 cars and 1-2 pick-ups.
I used a small pin and socket from SAMTEC. The parts I got from DigiKey but may be available elsewhere. PN for Socket is SLW-150-01-T-S and for the Pin TLW-150-06-T-S. I carefully snipped them into individual pieces and soldered them on 36 AGW or so wire. I then shrink heated some insulation.

I will shorten the connectors attached to the cars to make them less noticible. I do not provide on on my lit end cars.
It works well but next time I will use SAMTEC's 0.076" pitch connectors. 30% smaller.

Just place the cars on the track, connect the plug-ins and watch the light show.
The following pictures show the cars and connectors. However, I did not have the layout powered.

(pictures will come later)Unsure


Geez talk about a tease.....

Do you tell your kids you'll buy them an Ice Cream..... 'later' ?? Drool

Lucky we're all so forgiving here - (but don't push your luck, let's see the pics!!) BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

Cookee
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Cookee
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Offline hennabm  
#20 Posted : 17 March 2012 10:42:47(UTC)
hennabm

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Hi all

I agree - let's have the picturesBigGrin ThumpUp

Mike
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What's digital?
Offline witzlerh  
#21 Posted : 19 March 2012 17:11:33(UTC)
witzlerh

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With great appologies of not posting pictures quickly, here I go. It is my first time so I hope it works?Unsure

This first image shows the detail on the connector with the short leader. I chose to have the female plugs only on the cars for several reasons.
The all black connector is discrete and will not short when flapping. Also give freedom to rotate cars in the train set without worrying about Male/Female ends. All car connections are male and all leaders are female.

I could have shortened the female end so that it just sticks out and be even less noticable. Next time I may do this.

Metal Passenger Power Leader

How it works is that you place the cars on the track unconnected. Take your leader and connect the cars and then couple the car. The leader is about 1" long from "shoulder to shoulder" to allow slack for when the cars are going through an S curve.

Metal Cars now Connected

Here is how it looks on the track.

Metal Cars on Straight Track

Metal cars on curves

I hope that these pictures came through. Sorry, the cars are not lit up as I took the pictures when my layout was unpowered.Blushing
I also was busy this weekend as I had to pack up my trains as I am building the basement which includes my train room!BigGrin
Harald
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Offline BrandonVA  
#22 Posted : 19 March 2012 17:30:57(UTC)
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Harald,

Very clever...I will probably be attempting to copy you in the near future.

-Brandon
Offline hennabm  
#23 Posted : 23 March 2012 16:31:25(UTC)
hennabm

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Hi Harald

excellent system ThumpUp Thank you for sharing the photos.

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline Johnvr  
#24 Posted : 23 March 2012 19:24:36(UTC)
Johnvr

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Harald,

This is a clever and neat solution !!

Thank you.

Regards,BigGrin
John
Offline DaleSchultz  
#25 Posted : 08 April 2012 04:16:09(UTC)
DaleSchultz

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I always like seeing illuminated passenger trains running on the layout at night. The dark areas hide all the bits that are not yet done....

with all the talk of the light in the tunnel... I present you with the light at the end of the tunnel...
http://layout.mixmox.com/1/tunnel
Dale
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Offline witzlerh  
#26 Posted : 08 April 2012 05:07:57(UTC)
witzlerh

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Excellent Light at the end of the tunnel! Love the idea!BigGrin ThumpUp Cool
Harald
CS2 DB & Canadian Era 3-6
Offline Harvey  
#27 Posted : 09 April 2012 02:24:01(UTC)
Harvey

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I had asked Harald for additional information regarding the source of parts and part numbers. I applied this approach to my 3016 rail bus and 4018 trailer car. I had converted the 3016 to digital a few years ago and so I first confirmed with my dealer which wire provided current for the lights in the 3016. Harald suggested I use 28 AWG wire but I could only find 24AWG. That was fine for internal wiring but too stiff for the connection of the two cars. I used brown Marklin wire between the cars. I'll likely redo this as my first attempt is not as neat looking as Harold's. But my first attempt works fine.

I'll likely order some black wire from McMaster Carr and redo the wiring inside the 4018. I already replaced the single bulb with two led's but it is currently a rough job. When I first ordered the connectors, I ordered a strip of 50. I found these hard to separate and I ruined a few - used a utility knife to separate these. Soldering, for a novice, was not difficult. I used small clamps to hold the plugs and wires. I just reordered from Digi-key parts SAM1093-01-ND and SAM1027-027-01-ND. These are single pieces and so slightly more expensive but still less than $10 for 10 of each. Once I finish this project and set up a shuttle route for the rail bus I will apply the same approach to my 4291 and 4292 (DB 89) passenger cars.

My thanks to Harald

Harvey

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Offline Harvey  
#28 Posted : 11 May 2012 04:39:33(UTC)
Harvey

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Not sure if my post is showing pictures. So another try











Harvey
Offline Harvey  
#29 Posted : 11 May 2012 04:55:45(UTC)
Harvey

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Usually my post gets loaded and I mess up with pictures. This time the pictures are showing up first.

The above pictures are my 4291 and 4292 passenger cars from the mid 1980's. I had always wanted to have one slider but could not figure out how to do. I was encouraged when I purchased the Reingold (41928) hoping those current conducting couplers and led's would work with these cars. No luck. Then I saw Harald's post (#15) and after several e-mail exchanges with Harold and some experimentation with different plug size, I was successful. Harald provided me exact part numbers that would work with lighting kit 73400 - I light this older look (yellow). The part numbers I used are:
Digikey - SAM1234-40-ND or Samtec MMS-140-01-T-SV
Digikey SAM1178-50-ND or Samtec TMM-150-01-T-S

The 40 and 50 represents the number of plugs in a series. Need to cut these. The mail plugs are easy to cut with no loss. The female plugs are too close and so you lose one for each one cut. But total cost is around $10. I had thinner wire than Marklins and so used that but I think the Marklin wire is sufficient. These plugs fit the 73400 fairly well. I have not yet run these cars around the layout. I will need to add some heat shrink insulation for safety. Once this is done I will add the 73400 lights to my rail bus (4018) and then try adding a 1/2 section to the rail bus 3016

Again, my thanks to Harald

Harvey
Offline witzlerh  
#30 Posted : 11 May 2012 05:14:26(UTC)
witzlerh

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Thanks. Your welcome.
I just aquired about 15 more passenger cars and my dad got 8. May get some more.
I will have to get a bunch more plugs.

However, will not be able to show pix as I am also building out my basement which includes a train room.
Harald
CS2 DB & Canadian Era 3-6
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