Hello all,

Telex locomotives are great. Even more so, as I designed my new layout, I realized how useful telex locomotives would be a station/yard pilots. Out of curiosity, I was looking to assemble a list of all analog telex locomotives, as I don't think there are that many. Here's what I have, please feel free to add on:

Marklin # - Class - Years Made - Motor type - Notes

Analog locos:

3026 - BR01 - (1958-1959) - LFCM 3 pole
3027 - BR44 - (1958-1963) - LFCM 3 pole
3031 - BR81 - (1962-1974) - SFCM 3 pole
3047 - BR44 - (1964-1973) - SFCM 3 pole
3065 - V60 - (1963-1992) - SFCM 3 pole
3096 - BR86 - (1971-1995) - LFCM 3 pole
3131 - cl.361 - (1989-1999) - SFCM 3 pole (Former V60)
3309 - BR85 - (1983-1995) - DCM 3 pole
30321 - BR81 - (1996-2002) - LFCM 3 pole

Delta locos (telex will operate in analog):

33961 - BR86 - (1997-2005) - LFCM 3 pole
34641 - cl.365 - (1997-2004) - DCM 3 pole (Former v60)

What's missing?

Edited by user 25 October 2013 18:49:38(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks Ray - I don't know which they are? Do you know the numbers or classes?

Do you mean models like 3631, 3664 (V60) and 33961 (BR86)?

Mores the pity there are only so few!! I have the 3309 (BR85), converted to digital, and the newer 37906 (BRV90), also with Telex; I find it such fun to be able to uncouple "anywhere" on the layout! and for shunting it is first class!
Joe

Hi Brian,

3148 was the NSB (Norway) Version of the V60 (260) and did not come with TELEX.

Regards

Markus

Thanks everyone. I'll edit the list at the top to keep a consolidated source of info, including any posts beyond this one.

It is a pity there weren't many. I don't think it would be terribly hard to convert a analog loco to telex, but would be nice to have a few more factory examples over so many years. It's also a little disappointing there are so many of the same classes. This may be a collection for me to start (currently I have 3096 and 3309)!

Also seems like all the locos are DB, and also mostly era III, some IV/V.

Correct, Markus, but the different V60 versions without Telex are easy to rebuild to Telex, using the coupler parts from the versions with Telex.
For analouge operation I would use the Delta decoder 66032.

The same goes for the Br86-versions without Telex, using the parts from e.g. 3096.

I have rebuilt several of both locomotives.

Here's my first stab. Let me know what needs corection:

3026 - BR01 (1958/1959 only) - LFCM 3 pole
3027 - BR44 - LFCM 3 pole
3031 - BR81 - SFCM 3 pole
3047 - BR44 - SFCM 3 pole
3065 - V60 - SFCM 3 pole
3096 - BR86 - SFCM 3 pole
3131 - Cl. 361 (V60) - SFCM 3 pole
3309 - BR85 - DCM 3 pole
30321 - BR81 - ?

Delta locos (telex will operate in analog):

33961 - BR86 - SFCM 3 pole
34641 - Cl. 365 (V60) - DCM 3 pole

Does that seem right? What about 30321? Not sure, I would guess it uses a SFCM 3 pole? If this is correct, seems like most of them use FCM 3 pole motors...although I believe there as a 5 star upgrade for 3309. If I can find the info I will post it here.

Thanks Cookee.

I'm not sure about Primex, I would guess no. Primex did have a V60, 262 and BR81...but as far as I can tell they are not telex. I believe they are versions of models 3064, 3141 and 3032 respectively. I think Marklin probably reserved telex for the "high tech" brand (at least telex was a novel idea when originally introduced). Does anyone else know for sure?

30321 (BR81) was classified as a hobby model (and listed as all metal body). I do not think any of the others were.

I am going to guess that 30321 has the same motor as 3021, since 30321 seems to be an updated part number for the 3021 model or a reintroduction of the model under the hobby line. I actually found the best to determine motor way was as you say - I used some experience. I looked up the parts diagrams for the locos that I did not have on Marklin's website, which allowed me to find out what the other motor types were. There is no parts diagram for 30321 on the Marklin site, just a list.

Thanks! I am pretty sure that will move 33961 to LFCM 3 pole as well.

I am currently looking up production years for all these models. When I have that I'll add the years and motor types to the original list via edit.

Great to see this post. I just got a 3031 in the mail and was wondering if we could write a "how to" for trouble-shooting and for getting the thing to uncouple properly.

For example, it seems to me I have go through all my rolling stock and adjust the couplers with a needle nose pliers and a the coupler gauge.
Also wondering about cleaning or power-supply to get the magnet to work at maximum strength, because I have noticed it doesn't always
flip up all the way, and I have to go through the four-phase cycle again.
-forward
-uncoupling-forward
-reverse
-uncoupling reverse.

I think someone mentioned in the post about the 3031
https://www.marklin-user...--Amazing-discovery.aspx
... that they would like to see a digital version only pop the uncoupler on the side of the direction in which it is needed,
instead of on both sides, which could leave cars on the opposite side--if the tank is pushing and pulling at the same time--not properly coupled or uncoupled, even though it is pushing.

Very glad Brandon mentioned that you should not keep going around the the circuit with it in the "uncoupling" state.
Makes perfect sense.

Any more tips on how to get maximum functionality with it?

BTW I have an ebay bargain/special that is 3065 box, with the 5 scratched off and changed to a 4.
It doesn't really run, just turns slowly when power is supplied.
Coupler is quite similar to a telex coupler except with the same "tongue".
[Providing I can get this one running without a total rebuild...] How do I convert it to a proper telex coupler? Do you get the couplers on ebay.de? Or elsewhere?
From Marklin?

BTW ... thanks for doing the research Brandon!
Once again you are a very useful ... engineer!
You will be the one to pick up the new coaches from Brendam Docks.
- Topham Hat

Hi,

To convert a 3064 to a 3065 you will need a different reversing unit, the "tongue", and the electromagnetic coils.
I would suggest searching ebay germany for parts, and you should be able to get the whole telex coupler as an assembly Then you
will only need 2x telex assemblies and 1 x reversing unit, plus a little effort.

Cheers...

Mike.

So let me get this straight. The reversal unit as well as the couplings themselves are different.
And the reversal unit has 4 positions that it rotates through. The irony of that is that some of my older analog loks that are not telex require two jolts to change position. It never occurred to me that they may have had the wrong reversal unit replaced in them at one point. Will have to inspect and see if exchanging the two might work.

Mark

Mark,

This is correct. If you look at the overhead shot, just to the left of the motor housing (and on the right side of the reverse unit) you can see the little teeth that control it. The red one (telex) has 4, the green one (standard) has 2. You also will see a couple of extra wires attached to the telex reverse unit.

As far as your locos that require a couple of jolts to reverse....which ones are they? As John stated, a few locos did this on purpose. However, they can also do it if the reverse spring is worn out, if there is dirt somewhere inhibiting the connection or they are not receiving a good clean power feed from the track. The last would be best exampled by a loco trying to be reversed on a very large oval with a single feeder at the furthest point away from the feeder.

Now a question: Does anyone know if Marklin ever produced an electronic reverse unit for telex that could be univesally fitting? I believe BR85 (Marklin 3309) has an electronic reverse unit as all 33xx series locos had electronic units to my understanding. I wonder if this one could be used for Mark's retrofit? It would cause a cleaner reverse click and the loco would not jump...which you do not really want when shunting.

-Brandon

Ray,

Thanks for the model number. This is a good option.

If for some reason people don't want Delta, the analog reverse unit (not electronic) is Marklin part number 229700, and currently shows in stock. Marklin's site lists the same part number for 3065 (V60), 3309 (BR85), etc. The diagram clearly shows an analog design.

To answer my own question from above, it does not appear Marklin ever produced an electronic telex reverse unit. The newest model reverse unit specified for any of the analog models in the above list is the aforementioned 229700. Therefore, if you want this electronic reversing performance, you will need to go with Ray's helpful suggestion of Delta Decoder 66032.

-Brandon

36829....never seen it....where is it please ?

the delivery of this model always was postponed...last time they said OK for "2013"....I haven't seen it in real yet....did I miss something ?

I found this model interesting, and I couldn't find it even on Marklin website (sometimes Marklin's website is blocked) . I was a bit worry...I even thought my dealer forgot to show it to me....
I forgot that I could refer to updates from Steven too
Now I know.....Thank you Brandon

The delivery dates PDF is normally updated once per month.

The two Köf II with Telex (one a 2011 new item, one a 2012 new item) are now announced for December 2013. I presume some who ordered them won't get them this year, but next year. Would be nice if they ship some already this year.
In January 2013, the #36827 was announced for Q2/13.
In January 2012, the #36827 was announced for Q4/12.