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Offline sprogger  
#1 Posted : 28 November 2011 05:48:26(UTC)
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Folks
The discussion about original versus copy boxes in this thread

https://www.marklin-user...-question-lner-r700.aspx

Got me thinking ...

I have a number of station buildings and early metal preisers that are in need of new boxes.

They would have originally been in boxes of a similar style to the boxes in the above topic (plain cardboard with labels at the end to show item number)

Does anyone know what sort of stapler/fastner is used to get the "corner" (staple is a copper right angle type) staple?
And is this type of stapler/fastner available for purchase?

Cheers
Sprogger
Offline cookee_nz  
#2 Posted : 28 November 2011 11:15:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sprogger Go to Quoted Post
Folks
The discussion about original versus copy boxes in this thread

https://www.marklin-user...-question-lner-r700.aspx

Got me thinking ...

I have a number of station buildings and early metal preisers that are in need of new boxes.

They would have originally been in boxes of a similar style to the boxes in the above topic (plain cardboard with labels at the end to show item number)

Does anyone know what sort of stapler/fastner is used to get the "corner" (staple is a copper right angle type) staple?
And is this type of stapler/fastner available for purchase?

Cheers
Sprogger


Hi Sprogger,

I wondered that very same question earlier this year when attempting to make a replica box.

I did lots of searching and never found any reference to a 'corner stapler'.

In the end I decided that even if I could find such a thing, it would probably be so specialised that it would cost a small fortune and I figured I could just as easily use a normal staple and just bend it myself. I'm not sure why Marklin even did it like that when it would have been just as easy to leave a small flap of card on the box to glue or paste the corners

If you do find anything,BigGrin be sure to share
Cookee
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Offline Ian555  
#3 Posted : 28 November 2011 12:01:50(UTC)
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Hi Chris,

Maybe of some help...1954 corner stapled box.

Ian.

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Offline cookee_nz  
#4 Posted : 28 November 2011 12:10:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Chris,

Maybe of some help...1954 corner stapled box.

Ian.



I think what Chris is asking is how it's done, and is there a stapler that can do it?

Cheers

Cookee
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Offline Ian555  
#5 Posted : 28 November 2011 12:32:14(UTC)
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Hi Steve,

Sorry, I'm off down the wrong track, thought Chris was asking what it looked like.

You never know, the photo might help.Smile

Ian.

Offline sprogger  
#6 Posted : 28 November 2011 21:51:12(UTC)
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Steve
Thanks .. I tried using the "manual" method but was not very successful ..
I imagine in the good old days that the staples were seen as a more permanent solution to glue ..
Will keep hunting

Ian
Thanks for that ..
I am trying to reproduce about 10 of the prewar boxes (without red lids) mostly for large items such as tin plate stations..
I see you have shown one for the army of DA800's that you have ...
I would imagine you have a box in every style produced for that large troop.. BigGrin

Cheers
Sprogger
Offline Yumgui  
#7 Posted : 28 November 2011 22:57:57(UTC)
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Hi yall,

I have a bunch of these prewar boxes, from HO loco and tower mast boxes to 1930 O scale track boxes ...

They are a pain in the butt as the rusty corner staples tend to rip away at the corners of the cardboard flaps, which without a return fold are very very fragile !

And then ... I bought what I thought was a prewar model of a 7028 roundhouse, and low and behold .. it has straight staples !
Now, maybe its later than prewar, and maybe the box isn't original (I still have to check), but it is the first time I've ever seen straight staples on a Märklin box !

Have a look ...

Yum Tongue
Yumgui attached the following image(s):
DSCN0271-M-7028_lite.jpg
If your M track is rusted ... DON'T throw it out !
Working on: https://studiogang.com/projects/all
My heavy train station renovation: https://youtu.be/QQlyNiq416A
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Offline hennabm  
#8 Posted : 28 November 2011 23:15:36(UTC)
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Hi sprogger

Rather than mess with the stapling route, I went for good old fashioned glue for my replica boxes.

Link to my thread;

https://www.marklin-user...t19095_Little-boxes.aspx

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline cookee_nz  
#9 Posted : 29 November 2011 06:56:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post
Hi yall,

I have a bunch of these prewar boxes, from HO loco and tower mast boxes to 1930 O scale track boxes ...

They are a pain in the butt as the rusty corner staples tend to rip away at the corners of the cardboard flaps, which without a return fold are very very fragile !

And then ... I bought what I thought was a prewar model of a 7028 roundhouse, and low and behold .. it has straight staples !
Now, maybe its later than prewar, and maybe the box isn't original (I still have to check), but it is the first time I've ever seen straight staples on a Märklin box !

Have a look ...

Yum Tongue


Hi Yum, I suggest your box is original, there are other ones with straight staples, see attached image for the box for my Steam Engine, I know this box is original, and others with large items like the roundhouse will probably confirm theirs are straight also. Much more robust for the bigger and heavier items.

Cheers

Steve

cookee_nz attached the following image(s):
4097-5-91-ovp.jpg
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Offline cookee_nz  
#10 Posted : 29 November 2011 07:07:35(UTC)
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What I'd really like is a way to restore the 'rigidity or stiffening to old tired saggy cardboard boxes.

Sort of like starching a shirt collar but without damaging the card. That would be really cool.

Cheers

Cookee
Cookee
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#11 Posted : 29 November 2011 07:25:59(UTC)
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Interesting discussion of Marklin staples. What I do is take large staples (like those used for a staple gun) bend them flat with a press, spray paint them black, bent them to shape with a form and then manually punch them in and push around the edges to secure the staple (like Marklin did --- or the company that produced boxes for Marklin).

Perhaps in a future topic I will show how to repair Marklin boxes (and all cardboard) using a modified starch paste which can re-thatch the fibers of paper and cardboard. It is completely reversible because starch is water soluble, but is strong enough to repair areas where the staple has ripped right through the cardstock.

Here is a 700 series box I produced one time out of an old shoe box; easily differentiated from an original, but displays well.

box r700

Best regards,

Paul
Offline igf2  
#12 Posted : 01 December 2011 13:56:58(UTC)
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Nice job Paul ThumpUp ThumpUp
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Offline Unholz  
#13 Posted : 01 December 2011 15:50:46(UTC)
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The machine used by Marklin (or Marklin's box supplier) in those days might have been something like this:

http://www.speckboetel.de/gem.html

Probably not normally in household use... Wink
Offline Yumgui  
#14 Posted : 01 December 2011 18:38:07(UTC)
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Ah, thanks cookee ^^ (late) BigGrin

And very interesting Unholz ThumpUp

Yum Tongue
If your M track is rusted ... DON'T throw it out !
Working on: https://studiogang.com/projects/all
My heavy train station renovation: https://youtu.be/QQlyNiq416A
Inspired by: http://www.nakedmarklin.com/... Am not alone in this universe, phew.
Offline sprogger  
#15 Posted : 01 December 2011 23:56:08(UTC)
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Stefan
That looks like the machine ... unfortunatley I agree .. not something you find around the house ..

Looks like I am going to have to keep trying the "Paul" method until I get the knack like he has ..

Yum .. I can also confirm that Marklin used straight staples .. I have an O guage station in a box stapled like that ..

Cheers Team
Sprogger
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