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Drongo		#1 Posted : 13 December 2010 11:49:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,226 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi Everyone and a merry Christmas to all. For my last birthday, which was in March, my 3 sons gave me a video camera which can be installed inside a loco. The question I'm putting out to everyone is - Which locos would be suitable for the installation? I was thinking of the new TVG or perhaps the ICE 3. Any recommendations? Regards Greg
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river6109		#2 Posted : 13 December 2010 12:16:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,726 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Greg, The also use them in carriages. John
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Renato		#3 Posted : 13 December 2010 20:24:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2004(UTC) Posts: 976 Location: Gorizia, Italy		Hi Greg, why damage a high value digital loco (drilling, and so on) if you can put the mini camera on an old, cheap and used freight car? This is mostly done by the majority of modelers. Merry Christmas to you. Cheers Renato
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FMS		#4 Posted : 14 December 2010 01:31:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: PT		Hi Greg! Don't go there!! Like John and Renato said, go for the freight car solution. 1)It's the correct thing to do; 2)No need to harm any loco; 3)You can atach the freight car to any train Merry Xmas!
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Drongo		#5 Posted : 14 December 2010 05:40:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,226 Location: Sydney, NSW		Thanks fellas. I imagined that the leading part of the train was the loco, however, with your suggestion, I install the camera on a freight wagon and then put it in front of the loco. I'll do this. Again, thanks for the tip. Greg
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utkan		#6 Posted : 14 December 2010 11:14:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 19,116 Location: Istanbul,		Hi Greg, Perhaps it could give an idea Cheers and Merry X-Mas, mehmet
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Drongo		#7 Posted : 14 December 2010 11:38:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/06/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,226 Location: Sydney, NSW		Thanks Utkan, a picture says a thousand words. Fortunately, my camera is very small and the fittings are also small. The boys found it on the internet and it's made in Japan by RF System Lab - I haven't taken it out of its packing but around Christmastime I'll be giving it a go. Regards Greg
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utkan		#8 Posted : 14 December 2010 11:50:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 19,116 Location: Istanbul,		youngagain wrote: Thanks Utkan, a picture says a thousand words. Fortunately, my camera is very small and the fittings are also small. The boys found it on the internet and it's made in Japan by RF System Lab - I haven't taken it out of its packing but around Christmastime I'll be giving it a go. Regards Greg You're most welcome Greg. I must admit that this idea was given to me by Micha,who is also member of our forum. So once again I would like to thank him for teaching this facility to me. Cheers, mehmet
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intruder		#9 Posted : 15 December 2010 19:27:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		I agree in the advice to use a car, not a locomotive. My solution can be found here: Camera Cars
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Mikael		#10 Posted : 15 December 2010 19:49:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 959 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		I've showed this before, but since it is several years back, everybody have probably forgotten all about it by now By use of a small mirror, you can make some alternate camera-angles, like this where I've created the appearance of hanging halfway out a window on the train. http://www2.ejberg.dk/external/marklinusers/onboard2.wmv And here is how I mounted the camera and mirror. Very simple: Edited by user 28 June 2015 16:12:35(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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gachar001		#11 Posted : 16 December 2010 21:49:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		Can someone please suggest a camera that is available in the US that can be installed on a freaigh wagon? I would like to get one if it is not too expensive.
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intruder		#12 Posted : 17 December 2010 00:23:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very good, Mikael. My favourite part is where you can see the train shadow.
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rwegert		#13 Posted : 17 December 2010 13:54:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 94 Location: The Netherlands		Here is a system, selling in the US: http://cgi.ebay.com/Wire...&hash=item5ad5048d45 Greetz /roger
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gachar001		#14 Posted : 17 December 2010 20:28:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		rwegert wrote: Here is a system, selling in the US: http://cgi.ebay.com/Wire...&hash=item5ad5048d45 Greetz /roger Thanks Roger. Just ordered it. Will report on the quality.
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rwegert		#15 Posted : 18 December 2010 00:45:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 94 Location: The Netherlands		gachar001 wrote: rwegert wrote: Here is a system, selling in the US: http://cgi.ebay.com/Wire...&hash=item5ad5048d45 Greetz /roger Thanks Roger. Just ordered it. Will report on the quality. Cool. Post pics of the installation if you can. Gretzz /roger
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stenscience		#16 Posted : 18 December 2010 18:24:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 789 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico		Here is an off-the wall suggestion, but it might be worth a try... There was a news report last week that the FBI is warning parents to be careful of the new Barbie cam. (This shows how sick some people are) That issue aside, it looks like they have, for some wierd reason, put a mini-cam and I guess flash memory, into a Barbie doll. From the pics on the news, it looks like the camera is very small. I bet you could cut the camera, etc. out of the doll and rig it into a train. Don't call me if you get questioned by the cops
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gachar001		#17 Posted : 14 January 2011 20:53:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		Originally Posted by: rwegert Thanks Roger. Just ordered it. Will report on the quality. Cool. Post pics of the installation if you can. Gretzz /roger Received the camera a while back but just got around to testing it. I temperorily laid the camera and battery on 2 flat cars and ran it around the track. Picture quality is acceptable. It is a little grainy though. The transmit distance is not very good. I tried around 40 feet away, and the picture kept dropping. Works better when the TV is in the same room. Some times the picture flickers when the train is moving. Overall, not bad for 35 bucks.
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rwegert		#18 Posted : 14 January 2011 23:12:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 94 Location: The Netherlands		Originally Posted by: gachar001 Received the camera a while back but just got around to testing it. I temperorily laid the camera and battery on 2 flat cars and ran it around the track. Picture quality is acceptable. It is a little grainy though. The transmit distance is not very good. I tried around 40 feet away, and the picture kept dropping. Works better when the TV is in the same room. Some times the picture flickers when the train is moving. Overall, not bad for 35 bucks. Excellent. Great fun factor. Some people dismantle the camera and build it into a loc. You can also improve the picture by changing the camera and get a separate TX, but again, then it starts costing money. I use a very sofisticated system for my RC airplane and fly it wearing googles from the ground for up to at least 1 mile away (called FPV). Excellent fun, but rather expensive. Have fun. /roger
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DaleSchultz		#19 Posted : 15 January 2011 00:39:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		now that most digital cameras record good quality video, I am looking towards a solution that uses a small compact camera that saves the video to a memory card, thus removing the transmission issues and conversions. My camera is still a bit too large to sit on a flatcar and have room for a mirror to 'see' down the train. It does sit well on a 'Rollendelandstrasse' car but of course can only record video out the side. Some experiments in the Bw yard show promise so I think ideally we need a tiny camera that records to memory card for the best quality. Of course if you want realtime video you do need to transmit.
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Mikael		#20 Posted : 15 January 2011 15:40:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 959 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz ... I am looking towards a solution that uses a small compact camera that saves the video to a memory card, thus removing the transmission issues and conversions. I have tested such a camera, and it isn't bad at all: http://www2.ejberg.dk/external/marklinusers/onboard3.wmv It's nice to be able to record in 1280x720 now. It requires a fair amount of light, and I still need to find a way to improve the white balance, but this is way better than the small wireless cameras I've used before. For this video, I've used a FlycamOne HD 720p: http://www.flycamone.com/ It has a rechargeable lithium battery and a slot for a MicroSDHC card. It can record 80-90 minutes per charge. It is meant for RC airplanes, but it sits nicely on top of a flatcar too. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like there is an easy way to adjust the focal point. Edited by user 28 June 2015 16:12:52(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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DaleSchultz		#21 Posted : 15 January 2011 16:56:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		Mikael, I will have to wait to get to a windows machine to see the wmv file, unless it is also on youtube (and thus converted?) Edited by user 15 January 2011 20:54:42(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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Mikael		#22 Posted : 15 January 2011 23:05:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 959 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		No, I'm not a user of youtube (yet). Is there another HD video format that you can see? I should be able to render the video to most of the common formats.
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DaleSchultz		#23 Posted : 16 January 2011 00:56:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		I viewed it on my wife's windows machine... very nice good quality video. And yes, the focus does need to be closer... almost there !!!
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Mikael		#24 Posted : 16 January 2011 16:21:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/09/2004(UTC) Posts: 959 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Good news. It is possible to adjust the focus on this camera. I just had to open it first. Here is another try, and this time I tried using youtube for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnjQm76DWio
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DaleSchultz		#25 Posted : 16 January 2011 17:03:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/02/2006(UTC) Posts: 3,997		that is much better ! great news indeed !
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fvri		#26 Posted : 16 January 2011 21:35:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/10/2002(UTC) Posts: 773 Location: Zwevezele,		Hi, I'm using a camera from camsports : http://www.camsports.com/ Best regards, Frank
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Alberto Pedrini		#27 Posted : 16 January 2011 22:40:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		My teacher in 2005: http://www.lokwelt.de/El...ik/HERCULES/Hercules.htm And my Hercules, now the battery has been replaced by a AC 16V >DC 9V converter http://www.marklinfan.net/hercules.htm
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gachar001		#28 Posted : 17 January 2011 16:34:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini My teacher in 2005: http://www.lokwelt.de/El...ik/HERCULES/Hercules.htm And my Hercules, now the battery has been replaced by a AC 16V >DC 9V converter http://www.marklinfan.net/hercules.htm That is a neat job on the OBB loco. I like watching the picture real time. How is the quality of the picture when it is transmitted to a TV?
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gachar001		#29 Posted : 17 January 2011 16:36:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		Originally Posted by: rwegert Excellent. Great fun factor. Some people dismantle the camera and build it into a loc. You can also improve the picture by changing the camera and get a separate TX, but again, then it starts costing money. I use a very sofisticated system for my RC airplane and fly it wearing googles from the ground for up to at least 1 mile away (called FPV). Excellent fun, but rather expensive. Have fun. /roger I now plan to build it into a freaigh car. Later on, I will probably experiment with more sophisticated systems.
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huttel		#30 Posted : 22 January 2011 16:20:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 274 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Hi All Just build a camera wagon very simmilar to the one Mikael has made. Just one question. Does anyone know a good way to transform and supply power (9V DC) from the tracks? Rgds, Thomas
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huttel		#31 Posted : 22 January 2011 16:24:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 274 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark		Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini My teacher in 2005: http://www.lokwelt.de/El...ik/HERCULES/Hercules.htm And my Hercules, now the battery has been replaced by a AC 16V >DC 9V converter http://www.marklinfan.net/hercules.htm Excellent What brand and where did you buy the converter? Rgds, Thomas
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Alberto Pedrini		#32 Posted : 22 January 2011 23:08:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/07/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,448 Location: Italy		Hi, the converter has been built by an electronic laboratory on my request. Sorry I cannot help in this matter. The quality of the video depend by the camera mounted. I've payed about 20$ for camera and wireless transmitter, you can understand, it's quite different from my Märklin set 49940. 900€
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intruder		#33 Posted : 25 January 2011 01:09:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very nice cameras, folks. I see that I have to renew my camera, as the quality is poor. A voltage regulator is not so difficult to build. A bridge rectifier (or four identical diodes) to convert AC to DC, then a 7809 voltage regulatur to reduce the voltage to 9 volts (max. input voltage is 35V), and a big condenser to smoothen the output voltage. A cooling fin may be required for the 7809. I made a 5V regulator/charger with a 7805 (78 = positive voltage regulator, 05 or 09 (or others) = output voltage) for my camera car this way. It works perfect with a cooling fin.
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