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Offline H0  
#1 Posted : 01 May 2014 22:20:56(UTC)
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Hi!

I think Märklin should hire native English (French, Italian, ...) speakers to improve the translations of the CS2 user interface.

But obviously they don't do that.

Are there forum members able, ready, and willing to improve the translations?
Please post only suggestions or errors for the English version in this thread.
Feel free to start new threads to improve other translations.


Here's one dialogue to get started.
How about this text:
"Not a valid locomotive address.
The address range for this protocol is 1 through 255."

Or is "Invalid locomotive address." better? Maybe a native English speaker can make a better suggestion.

Here's the original dialogue from CS2 3.5.6:
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cs2_address_error_mm.png
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 01 May 2014 22:36:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
How about this text:
"Not a valid locomotive address.
The address range for this protocol is 1 through 255."


I think that would be fine.

I know that parts of the English CS2 screens are still in German, but I don't have the CS2 handy to look it up.

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Offline mike c  
#3 Posted : 01 May 2014 22:48:33(UTC)
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Yes, my Lokomive had exactly the same problemLOL LOL Flapper

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Offline xxup  
#4 Posted : 01 May 2014 23:25:53(UTC)
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I think that "Invalid Locomotive Address" as a header is a slight improvement.
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 02 May 2014 07:52:18(UTC)
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For reference purposes, let's call the "Lokomive adress" dialogue "Dialogue #1".


Now here comes Dialogue #2:
There should be no fullstops after "Delay" because it's no abbreviation.
I didn't spot other errors (but maybe a native speaker will).

H0 attached the following image(s):
cs2_loco_properties_en.png
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 02 May 2014 07:56:24(UTC)
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Here comes Dialogue #3:

Funny thing about this dialogue: there are two keys each for colon and semi-colon.
There's a backtick ("`") but the forward version ("´") is missing - is this a problem?
Are the symbols that are missing and which a native speaker would need?
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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 02 May 2014 07:59:49(UTC)
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Here comes Dialogue #4:

It's probably the only time where they write "Mfx" with an upper case letter.
I would write "CVs" without apostrophe (but I know that "CV's" is acceptable usage). Which way is better in your opinion?

Nice warning about reading the decoder manual - it's a pity that Märklin locos do not include useful decoder manuals. Flapper
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:03:04(UTC)
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Now for Dialogue #5:

The word "Information" does not fit ("Info" could be used instead) and "Motor/Licht" was not translated ("Motor/Lights" will probably do).
Is "Direction Inversion" OK? Or maybe "Reversion of Direction"? "Reversion of Directions"?
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cs2_cvs_motor_en.png
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:05:19(UTC)
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Here comes Dialogue #6:

"Addresss" is a simple typo.
And some more German terms here.
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Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:07:57(UTC)
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Dialogue #7:

Only two entries - and nothing was translated.

"Speicher" probably should be "Memory".
"ABV" should be "ABD" (at least they use ABD on the function mapping screen).
"Geschw." => "Speed".
"Richtung" => "Direction".

"Funktion" is left as an exercise to the reader ...
H0 attached the following image(s):
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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:10:27(UTC)
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Dialogue #8:

Right below "Duration Function" they introduced "memory function". Why no upper-case letters here?

The abbreviations "Switc...Range" and "Runni...ounds" look a bit odd.
H0 attached the following image(s):
cs2_function_mapping1_en.png
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:12:28(UTC)
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Dialogue #9:

How about using "shall" and "would" (instead of "should" and "will")?

Maybe native speakers can make a much better suggestion.
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Offline DigitalNZ  
#13 Posted : 02 May 2014 08:13:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

Now here comes Dialogue #2:
There should be no fullstops after "Delay" because it's no abbreviation.
I didn't spot other errors (but maybe a native speaker will).



You're correct as far as I know / care. It's not a major issue though, it doesn't destroy the meaning of the message.

I'd be happy to help improve their other English translations if they wanted me to!
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Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 02 May 2014 09:05:47(UTC)
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I'd be happy to help improve their other English translations if they wanted me to!
In my experience e-mails with suggestions sent to the Märklin Service often get lost (are not forwarded to the persons in charge).

I reported a bug against the MS2 software and received a qualified reply. Therefore I hope the translation work done here won't be in vain (I will send the suggestions to the person who replied to me).
Not long ago the loco properties screen showed "Min. delay" and "Max. delay" instead of "Min. speed" and "Max. speed". This may (or may not) be the result of an e-mail I sent.

Messages about problems with the website or errors in the product database seem to always get lost. Well - they have to decide how they run their business.
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Offline H0  
#15 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:24:05(UTC)
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Dialogue #10:
My proposal for this message:
"The version information could not be read from the decoder.
Try again?"
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Offline H0  
#16 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:30:39(UTC)
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Dialogue #11:
Two typos in the title.
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Offline H0  
#17 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:35:05(UTC)
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Dialogue #12:
Assuming that "Decoder type" is correct then it should be "Coding switch".
Should "Accessory state" be written in two words?
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cs2_layout_turnout_configuration_en.png
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Offline Webmaster  
#18 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:41:50(UTC)
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I think I will suggest to Herr Lorentz that our international forum can help M to update their language variations since it seems like there is quite some work to do...

I'm sure there are a lot of errors, both in grammatically and writing convention, also in the other languages...

Thanks for bringing this up Tom! I did not know it was this bad...
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline H0  
#19 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:42:24(UTC)
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Dialogue #13:
Title: "Configure New" or "Configure New Locomotive".

"New locomotive" should be lower case IMHO.

"manual" should be "manually".

"M.U. Set" should be "M. U. set" IMHO.

"Manualy" should be "Manually" and "mfx-Loco" should be "mfx locomotive".
H0 attached the following image(s):
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Offline H0  
#20 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:46:55(UTC)
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Dialogue #14:
I think it should be "stick", "status" and "device" (all lower case) and "Device ID" instead of "Device-ID".
Do the native English speakers agree?
H0 attached the following image(s):
cs2_setup_cs2_en.png
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Offline H0  
#21 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:50:36(UTC)
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Dialogue #15:
Text not properly right aligned.
And again too many upper case letters IMHO.
H0 attached the following image(s):
cs2_setup_view_languages_en.png
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Offline Webmaster  
#22 Posted : 04 May 2014 19:50:52(UTC)
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Even non-natives agree.... BigGrin
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Offline xxup  
#23 Posted : 04 May 2014 23:13:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Here comes Dialogue #3:

Funny thing about this dialogue: there are two keys each for colon and semi-colon.
There's a backtick ("`") but the forward version ("´") is missing - is this a problem?
Are the symbols that are missing and which a native speaker would need?


The "<" and ">" symbols are missing from the two keys to the right of "M". They are useful to me (on my eCOS) as I use them to label routes. For example, c48>c56 is the route between contact number 48 and contact 56. Fortunately, I have WindigiPet so I don't need to use the route function on the controller. Smile

Marklin needs to develop a Style Guide for the CS2 and other similar products. A Style Guide does not necessarily follow the strict rules of English, but it does make the look and feel of the device consistent.

For example, words like dog and cat are not capitalised in English, but the key words in a heading might be. For example:
The Dog and Cat Live in the Tree
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

In computer software you often see the words on a button (e.g. Click Here) capitalised. These are some of the things that make the look and feel of the application look comfortable and familiar to users.

A Style Guide will help to set consistent rules for the Interface that include capitalisation, font usage and colours.
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Offline xxup  
#24 Posted : 04 May 2014 23:17:38(UTC)
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Even non-natives agree.... BigGrin


My experience, especially on this forum, is that there are many non-natives, who have a much better grasp of English grammar that most of the natives that visit here. And then there are the Americans who can't spell colour and have their own version of the Gallon! RollEyes
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Offline DigitalNZ  
#25 Posted : 04 May 2014 23:58:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Dialogue #9:

How about either:

a. Do you want to reset your locomotive to factory default settings? Once reset the locomotive will register itself automatically.
b. Are you sure you want to return you locomotive to it's factory settings? It will register itself automatically once complete.

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Dialogue #12:
Assuming that "Decoder type" is correct then it should be "Coding switch".
Should "Accessory state" be written in two words?


Couldn't have put it better myself!
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Offline Yumgui  
#26 Posted : 05 May 2014 00:04:52(UTC)
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OK Tom , I’ll take a crack at it …

While I know absolutely nothing about the CS2, I do know about putting texts to form … I also count on your known perseverance to report these bugs to Märklin, this foremost, concerning all their manuals in general, is making my clock tick atm … !
So here’s my two cents worth :

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Here's one dialogue to get started0. (Dialog #1)
How about this text:
"Not a valid locomotive address.
The address range for this protocol is 1 through 255."
Or is "Invalid locomotive address." better? <-- Better
Maybe a native English speaker can make a better suggestion.
Here's the original dialogue from CS2 3.5.6:

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Now here comes Dialogue #2:
There should be no fullstops after "Delay" because it's no abbreviation. <-- Agreed, “full stops” are called “periods” … these are accurately used for abbreviations, such as “Max.” and “Min.” speeds …
I didn't spot other errors (but maybe a native speaker will).

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Here comes Dialogue #3:
Funny thing about this dialogue: there are two keys each for colon and semi-colon.
There's a backtick ("`") but the forward version ("´") is missing - is this a problem? <-- Yep, see qwerty below …
Are the symbols that are missing and which a native speaker would need?

<-- If you look at a “normal” qwerty keyboard, the colon and semi-colon are correct, on the same key after L ... but the comma and dot (or period) after M are wrong … should include “<” and “>”, yep, also, “Shift” key took a hike before Z to the left, and “?” became a “2” after dot to the right, and Capslock went underground … , how about just: “Märklin, please check qwerty layout” … ^^ ?:
http://education.davidsp...9/9b/Keyboard_qwerty.jpg
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Here comes Dialogue #4:
First, I would write: “These are not standard CVs; you are in the mfx Configuration Space” … instead of “These are not normal CVs; this is the Mfx Configuration Space”.
It's probably the only time where they write "Mfx" with an upper case letter. <-- Don’t know this protocol, but consistency is paramount for best comprehension in any prompt text … if “mfx” everywhere else, then it’s no good here …
I would write "CVs" without apostrophe (but I know that "CV's" is acceptable usage). Which way is better in your opinion? <-- Either / or really, just makes sense that if the CS2 screen is short on space “CVs” is fine, it’s netspeak even … ^^
Nice warning about reading the decoder manual - it's a pity that Märklin locos do not include useful decoder manuals. Flapper LOL

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Now for Dialogue #5:
The word "Information" does not fit ("Info" could be used instead) <-- Agreed
and "Motor/Licht" was not translated ("Motor/Lights" will probably do). <-- Agreed
Is "Direction Inversion" OK? Or maybe "Reversion of Direction"? "Reversion of Directions"? <-- I would write: “Reverse direction”

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Here comes Dialogue #6:
"Addresss" is a simple typo. <-- Yep
And some more German terms here.
- Folge aus : Output ?
- ¾ adr: ¾ Address? No idea here…
- Halb stufen: Half increment
- erlaubt: Allowed
- MM2 aktive Funktionen : Active functions

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Dialogue #7:
Only two entries - and nothing was translated. <-- Not much to say here …
"Speicher" probably should be "Memory".
"ABV" should be "ABD" (at least they use ABD on the function mapping screen).
"Geschw." => "Speed".
"Richtung" => "Direction".
"Funktion" is left as an exercise to the reader ... (Function ?)

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Dialogue #8:
Right below "Duration Function" they introduced "memory function". Why no upper-case letters here? <-- Wrong if isn’t consistent with rest of prompts … !
The abbreviations "Switc...Range" and "Runni...ounds" look a bit odd. <-- if their limit is 13 characters, then “Switch Range” and “Running Sound” should be OK …

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Dialogue #9:
How about using "shall" and "would" (instead of "should" and "will")? <-- “Shall” is closely associated with the Bible, and therefore kind of harsh for model trains wink, so I would suggest this wording in “contemporary” netspeak: "Reset locomotive to factory defaults? The locomotive will register itself again automatically." (The word “then” is not necessary … ^^)
Maybe native speakers can make a much better suggestion.

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Dialogue #10:
My proposal for this message:
"The version information could not be read from the decoder.
Try again?" <-- No idea here, but sounds good …

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Dialogue #11:
Two typos in the title. <-- Yep …

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Dialogue #12:
Assuming that "Decoder type" is correct then it should be "Coding switch". <-- Again, consistency in the text is paramount, so for prompt titles I’d put caps everywhere: “Decoder Type”, “Coding Switch”, etc …
Should "Accessory state" be written in two words? <-- Yep, “Accessory State” even, with caps …

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Dialogue #13:
Title: "Configure New" or "Configure New Locomotive". <-- “Configure New Loco” (OK, if character space is a problem …)
"New locomotive" should be lower case IMHO. <-- Caps for prompt titles IMHO, so “New Loco – From Database”
"manual" should be "manually". <-- Dito: “New Loco – Manual Config”
"M.U. Set" should be "M. U. set" IMHO. <-- Not an issue IMHO
"Manualy" should be "Manually" (typo, yep) and "mfx-Loco" should be "mfx locomotive".<-- Not an issue IMHO

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Dialogue #14:
I think it should be "stick", "status" and "device" (all lower case) and "Device ID" instead of "Device-ID".
Do the native English speakers agree? <-- Nope, not an issue, on the contrary caps are better for prompts IMHO …

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Dialogue #15:
Text not properly right aligned. <-- I’d say not properly left aligned, like all other interface windows ... again, consistency first !
And again too many upper case letters IMHO. <-- Again, caps are good for prompt titles IMHO … ^^


Hope that helps Tom ^^, French texts next …

Y Cool

Hmm, looks like that arrow motif before each comment dun work so well here : <--
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Offline H0  
#27 Posted : 05 May 2014 08:21:01(UTC)
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Thanks everybody for the feedback so far.
I sent Märklin a correction for "Dialogue #1" (9 errors in 2 sentences - good to show they need help) and asked for the best way to provide feedback.

I try to write BE (so full stop would be correct), but the CS2 UI is AE (period). I presume "#1" is bally AE (but convenient).
We can try to convince them that the CS2 UI should support both BE and AE (just kidding - apart from "grey" and maybe "colour" I didn't notice words that would be different).

Re keyboard: "<" and ">" are there, combined on a separate key.
German QWERTZU keyboards have an extra key compared to US QWERTY keyboards. Still it looks odd if that extra key is used to provide characters "<" and ">" at an unusual location - and duplicated characters have no value.

The keyboard is mainly needed to enter loco names. No problem IMHO if not all keys are present or if the layout is slightly modified. OTOH it should be simple to move "<" and ">" to the normal locations. Leaves us (you) room for two extra characters - which would that be?
But there is no "Å" on the Swedish layout - and that might prove useful to give a Swedish colour name, loco name ("Luleå") or company name (writes one with no knowledge of Swedish).
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Offline Goofy  
#28 Posted : 05 May 2014 19:02:54(UTC)
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I suppose it´s bugs which cause problems...?

LOL LOL LOL
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Offline Hackcell  
#29 Posted : 05 May 2014 19:48:55(UTC)
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In spanish is pretty much the same mess... It needs to be re-written.
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Union Pacific and DB Cargo H0 models.
Märklin, Brawa, MTH and some Walthers cars (nobody is perfect!)
Pinball machines, jukeboxes and Horses.
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#30 Posted : 05 May 2014 20:49:39(UTC)
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I am actually seriously thinking about suggesting that this international forum should go into a cooperation with M to sort out their language problems in products...

Am I asking too much?
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Old Chinese Proverb]
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Offline Hackcell  
#31 Posted : 05 May 2014 21:06:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
I am actually seriously thinking about suggesting that this international forum should go into a cooperation with M to sort out their language problems in products...

Am I asking too much?



Not really... At the end of the day we (the customers) are the ones paying for a quality product, in all aspects. Therefore, M should hear our feedback and suggestions.
Danilo Jiménez
Union Pacific and DB Cargo H0 models.
Märklin, Brawa, MTH and some Walthers cars (nobody is perfect!)
Pinball machines, jukeboxes and Horses.
Costa Rica, pura vida!!
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#32 Posted : 25 May 2014 20:50:11(UTC)
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Here we go with dialogue #16 (from the new 3.6.2 version).

There is nothing wrong about "Save", "Restart", and "Quit".
They were "Backup", "Reboot" and "Shutdown" with version 3.5.6. Could be "Archive", "Relaunch", and "Exit" with the next version. LOL
H0 attached the following image(s):
setup_cs2_en.png
Regards
Tom
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#33 Posted : 25 May 2014 20:51:46(UTC)
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Dialogue #17:
"Typ" is German, "Type" is English.
H0 attached the following image(s):
setup_devices_en.png
Regards
Tom
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#34 Posted : 25 May 2014 20:53:33(UTC)
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Dialogue #18:
"(DHC" looks incomplete and "IP Network Template" is typically called "Subnet mask".
H0 attached the following image(s):
setup_ip_en.png
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Tom
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#35 Posted : 25 May 2014 20:58:13(UTC)
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Dialogue #19:

I don't know whether the phrase "1h equates to xx minutes" is right or wrong.

The meaning is "1 model time hour equals xx real time minutes".
How to say this in English?
H0 attached the following image(s):
setup_modeltime_en.png
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Tom
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#36 Posted : 25 May 2014 21:01:00(UTC)
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Dialogue #20:
"Start of S88 contact" means something like "S88 contact at start".

The others mean something like "S88 contact of intermediate stations" and "S88 contact at end point".
The train reverses at the end point, so the end is a new start.
H0 attached the following image(s):
shuttle_train_route_en.png
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Tom
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#37 Posted : 25 May 2014 21:20:46(UTC)
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And here are some phrases extracted from the USB update.


"You are trying to peform a recursive route." => "perform"

"You didn't choose a File!" => "file."

"For locomotive "%1" are running activities!" => "there are"? Or "Locomotive "%1" has active processes."?

"The readout of the CV variables was not successful." => "The configuration variable could not be read." (the V in CV stands for variable)

"Editing the mapping cannot be done until after the read out" => "The mapping cannot be edited until the read out was completed."

"Reading out from the decoder is not possible right now." => "Reading from the decoder is currently impossible."
I'd like to add "currently" somewhere, but don't know where. Or is "right now" better than "currently"?

"mfx-locomotives" => "mfx locomotives"
"mfx-Locos" => "mfx locos" or "mfx locomotives"

"Stop canceld search!" => "Search was canceled by STOP."

"New IP-Adress has been requested." => "New IP address has been requested."

"Partner IP-Adress" => "Partner IP Address"

"Please insert a USB stick with at least 1GB of the CS2." => "... 1 GB into the CS2."

"The backup was not successfull." => "successful."


Maybe the native speakers can help to improve my suggestions.
Regards
Tom
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#38 Posted : 26 May 2014 16:39:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
And here are some phrases extracted from the USB update.


"Editing the mapping cannot be done until after the read out" => "The mapping cannot be edited until the read out is complete."

"Reading out from the decoder is not possible right now." => "The decoder cannot currently be read."
I'd like to add "currently" somewhere, but don't know where. Or is "right now" better than "currently"?



Just some small suggestions
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#39 Posted : 21 September 2014 20:33:33(UTC)
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The "No valid Lokomive adress" message is still around with version 3.7.0. This error was reported to Märklin on Star Wars day (May the 4th, 2014) before version 3.6.2 was published.

Now let's look at some new features introduced with version 3.6.2 (screen shots show version 3.7.0).

Wait with bated breath while the CS2 is "retriving" information about available updates:
CS2 3.7.0
"Netz-Update" is Denglish for "Net Update" (where "Net" can mean either LAN or Internet).

Updates were found:
CS2 3.7.0
"Paket" is German for "packet" or "package".
The "Info" window always contains a fine mix of English and German, no matter whether UI is set to German or English.
For some updates, the "Start" button will be replaced by a "Weiter" button (German for "continue"). If you see "Weiter", then click "Weiter" (not OK).
I don't know why this screen has an OK button and a Cancel button - they both seem to do the same.

I got an error message that some items could not be installed:
CS2 3.7.0
However the new images available on the USB stick were installed correctly - I have no idea which packages could not be installed.
You have to select the Internet update to import images from an USB stick. Selecting update from USB stick will not import images from the USB stick.

For screens with a "?" button you can open a help window:
CS2 3.7.0

The help window for the Setup screen has some contents (that do not reflect changes made with version 3.6.2):
CS2 3.7.0
Several buttons were renamed with version 3.6.2 - as of version 3.7.0 no-one found time to update the help for this page.
"Update program" is now "Update" => "Internet" (of course requires a "functioning Internet-Verbindung") or "Update" => "USB Stick".
"Restart" is now "Reboot". "Shutdown" is now "Quit".
Regards
Tom
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