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Offline huttel  
#1 Posted : 20 March 2011 10:37:00(UTC)
huttel

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Hi All

Was just wondering what the differences (HW, functionality etc.) are between the Mä Central Station 60214 and 60215.

Does anybody know or know where to find a comparison?

Rgds,
Thomas


Corrected the item numbers ;-) /BDNZ
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 20 March 2011 10:42:46(UTC)
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Thomas, we don't know for sure as yet, but Marklin say the 60215 can be used with the 60101 100va switchmode power supply to give a 5 amp output.

Marklin list the 100va power supply for use with the 60214 as well as the 60215, so we suspect that 60214 will be able to output 5 amps, but this is not yet confirmed.

AFAIK that is the only difference.
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Offline huttel  
#3 Posted : 20 March 2011 16:46:10(UTC)
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Thx Dave

Rgds,
Thomas
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Offline MarioFabro  
#4 Posted : 17 May 2011 18:43:32(UTC)
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Do we have any update on this? I can find 60214 on special sale at ETS but would like to know if it is worth the difference (some 220 Euros)
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Offline supermoee  
#5 Posted : 18 May 2011 10:17:32(UTC)
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Hello,

60215 has max 5 A output
60214 has max 3 A output

60215 has for sure galvanic isolation on power output
60214 has galvanic isolation on power output starting hardware version 4.33

The software and the functionality is identical.

If you do not need galvanic isolation (good if you use 2 ore more CS on one layout), you can take the cheaper offer.
And if the 60214 has already hardware 4.33 (mine has), than it is identical to 60215

rgds

Stephan

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 18 May 2011 13:11:19(UTC)
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Supermoee, when did you purchase your 60214? I got mine September last year as part of a 29500 starter set, but it is a very early hardware version number.

You say that 60214 hardware v4.33 is identical to 60215, does that include 5 A output? (when used with the 100va power supply, of course)

Edited by user 20 May 2011 09:16:43(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline supermoee  
#7 Posted : 18 May 2011 15:11:40(UTC)
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Hello Bigdaddy,

I got mine in December 2010 back from Märklin as replacement for the burned one I sent in. Serial number 19xxx somewhere.

Yes, with one of the next software updates, the output power can be switched up to 5A with this hardware version, same as for the booster 60174. They are already able too to have 5A output. Only the CS2 software needs to be unlocked for this.Cool

rgds

Stephan
Offline artvegas  
#8 Posted : 20 May 2011 06:42:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: supermoee Go to Quoted Post
Hello,

60215 has max 5 A output
60214 has max 3 A output

60215 has for sure galvanic isolation on power output
60214 has galvanic isolation on power output starting hardware version 4.33

The software and the functionality is identical.

If you do not need galvanic isolation (good if you use 2 ore more CS on one layout), you can take the cheaper offer.
And if the 60214 has already hardware 4.33 (mine has), than it is identical to 60215

rgds

Stephan



Excuse me if this has been explained before. Where is the hardware version shown? Is it on the case somewhere or do you have to go to a page on the display screen?

Thanks,

Art
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 20 May 2011 08:32:18(UTC)
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It's a page in the system setup screen.


Click on the 'Setup' tab, then select 'Version'


Mine is HW version 3.1
Offline Lau82  
#10 Posted : 16 August 2011 23:12:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: supermoee Go to Quoted Post
Hello,

60215 has max 5 A output
60214 has max 3 A output

60215 has for sure galvanic isolation on power output
60214 has galvanic isolation on power output starting hardware version 4.33

The software and the functionality is identical.

If you do not need galvanic isolation (good if you use 2 ore more CS on one layout), you can take the cheaper offer.
And if the 60214 has already hardware 4.33 (mine has), than it is identical to 60215

rgds

Stephan



I am about to buy an CS2 60214. dont know the hardware just yet, its from my mate that im driving alittle trains together on.
My question is:
The galvanic isolation on the power output is ONLY used when using more CS2´s / Pc´s ? there is also an normal output correct ? for the 3 / 5 A output ? making trains run ? or im i totally wrong on this ?
An the 60214 cannont be sat together in pairs eather ? because of the lag of isolation ?

Kind regards
Lau82 - Denmark
Thanks you very much in advance for an answer.
Its simply because i think i would like to have 2 cs2´s running later on, on my track, no 100% sure. but i think. an i can get the 60214 some cheaper then the 60215 right now.
Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 17 August 2011 01:19:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Lau82 Go to Quoted Post
An the 60214 cannont be sat together in pairs eather?

AFAIK they can be used without restrictions if at least one of them has galvanic insulation (some 60214 have, some don't).

So if your first CS2 doesn't have insulation, make sure you buy the second CS2 with insulation.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Lau82  
#12 Posted : 17 August 2011 11:00:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lau82 Go to Quoted Post
An the 60214 cannont be sat together in pairs eather?

AFAIK they can be used without restrictions if at least one of them has galvanic insulation (some 60214 have, some don't).

So if your first CS2 doesn't have insulation, make sure you buy the second CS2 with insulation.


Thanks for the quick answer...... sounds great... just somehow wierd that they forgot this on early versions.... its just because its better it IS posible to do also whitout insulation ? Blink
Just better if it does got it....Confused
Offline supermoee  
#13 Posted : 17 August 2011 11:37:45(UTC)
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Hello,

the point is, that without galvanic insulation (as the booster 60173) you have to insulate not only the + pole but even the ground (rails). If it not properly separated, the risk to burn the centrals is high. Even disturbs on S88 bus and mfx signal cannot be excluded.

So to minimize the risk of burning, Märklin introduced the galvanic insulation directly in the newer digital equipment.

Probably they got too much burned CS back for repair, an realised, that it is not trivial to proper insulate both poles.

rgds

Stephan
Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 17 August 2011 13:41:18(UTC)
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Hi, Stephan,

But Märklin only replace the 60173 free of charge, 60213/4 will not be replaced because:
"Ein Gerät ohne galvanische Trennung kann auch in Zukunft im Gesamtsystem verbleiben. Daher ist ein Austausch der Central Station 60213 oder 60214 nicht notwendig und wird daher auch von uns nicht durchgeführt."
Source:
http://www.maerklin.de/d...infos/boostertausch.html

Translation: A single device without galvanic insulation can remain in the system. It is therefore not necessary to replace the Central Station 60213 or 60214 and they are not replaced by Märklin.
Regards
Tom
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Offline supermoee  
#15 Posted : 17 August 2011 14:14:47(UTC)
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Hi Tom,

I never mentioned any replacement.

Your reply is correct, one non galvanic insulated device is permitted in the system.

So who bought two 60213 or 60214 without galvanic insulation before the 60215 came out, need to do 2 pole insulation on the tracks.

Or burn one central and send in for repair BigGrin

rgds

Stephan
Offline jeehring  
#16 Posted : 17 August 2011 14:43:40(UTC)
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...am I the only one to wonder what is a galvanic insulation for ?....what is the difference with an ordinary insulation or no insulation or non galvanic insulation ? where, which connector ?....Confused
Offline supermoee  
#17 Posted : 17 August 2011 15:01:15(UTC)
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Hello Jeehring,

Galvanic isolation is used in situations where two or more electric circuits must communicate, but their grounds may be at different potentials. It is an effective method of breaking ground loops by preventing unwanted current from flowing between two units sharing a ground conductor.

taken from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_isolation


rgds

Stephan
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Offline jeehring  
#18 Posted : 17 August 2011 16:05:42(UTC)
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....mmh ...thank you Stephan, I understand just a little bit...probably I have to go into the subject in greater depth....but,
as we had two kinds of CS , some with galvanic insulation (where ?)and some without galvanic insulation (does it means : no insulation or different type of insulation ?), both were doing their job, so....what is the problem ?... . since the beginning I always have seen that 2 CS could be connected together...even those without galvanic insulation . Confused
I'll try to understand by myself...any info could help me .
Offline supermoee  
#19 Posted : 17 August 2011 17:00:16(UTC)
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Hello Jeehring,

the problem is that it is difficult for the normal user to make a proper ground isolation on the layout. I had several problems to do it until I discovered that the ground was passing through the illumination of my old K-track switches with integrated solenoid. I separated the power of the bulbs to use a separate trafo, but forgot that the ground of the illumination was passing through the rails. Some of these switches in different booster sections and the ground was connected again, despite I used isolated connections on the section between booster.

As you can see, not that simple. I needed 6 month to find out. Until then I fought against S88 and mfx registration problems. And I'm an experienced guy. Forget the beginners.



rgds

Stephan
Offline Lau82  
#20 Posted : 17 August 2011 21:14:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
....mmh ...thank you Stephan, I understand just a little bit...probably I have to go into the subject in greater depth....but,
as we had two kinds of CS , some with galvanic insulation (where ?)and some without galvanic insulation (does it means : no insulation or different type of insulation ?), both were doing their job, so....what is the problem ?... . since the beginning I always have seen that 2 CS could be connected together...even those without galvanic insulation . Confused
I'll try to understand by myself...any info could help me .



Thats exactly also how i did read the info from maerklin, that it should be NO problem at all connecting two or more cs2 even 60213 / 60214, but it looks like several people got problems when going it, using swtiches, an call back connectors. etc. Some kind of distubens on track register / train registering on the ground.

Thats what i found out anyways :) an read out of the post´s inhere ! (thanks for trying making us beginners understand, im really glad that you guys wanna help, an i will always try to help back the community, but im just startet again after 15 years away, an LOTS have changed Blink !

Is it somehow correct how i understand this problem now, or im i still lost like an total noobie Laugh ?

UPDATE:
I just found somethink really wierd on my cs2... the original box for the cs2 stands 60214, but on a little glued on mark behind on the cs2, its stands 60213. its hardware 3.1. someway my cs2 can be an 60213 or is an 60214 simply an "out of the box" software updated 60213 ? which could explain why there is two numbers in my packages ??
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