Help with SENATOR Problem (39100) Share  Email this topic  LinkBack Topic URL  Retweet this Topic  Share Topic on Google+  Like this Topic  Share on Facebook  Digg this Topic  Reddit this Topic  Share on Tumblr Options  Watch this topic  Print this topic View » Normal Threaded

Previous Topic Next Topic

Armando		#1 Posted : 14 August 2010 22:12:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		This topic may have been dealt with before. I have the 39100 Senator and the corresponding 41100 add-on set. Needless to say that the process of aligning the micro-pins in the couplers is a real nightmare! My question is: the manual says that the F3 key on the Central Station would activate a "horn" sound. After my Senator registered itself on my CS, it is actually the F8 key that shows the "horn" icon, but there is no action associated with the key. I have tried all keys and there is no horn sound at all produced. Could it be that, as usual with Märklin, the instruction manual is a far cry from what the real-life model turned out to be? Is it only me, or do you all also think that mfx actually sucks? Could anyone who has the Senator please check if there really is a "horn" sound? Thank you and best regards,
		Best regards, Armando García
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

	Wish to join the discussion?! Login to your marklin-users.net community | Forum accountor Register a new forum account. Or Connect via Facebook

H0		#2 Posted : 14 August 2010 22:32:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,274 Location: DE-NW		Which CS? CS2? Is there a symbol at F3? At the last club meeting, some sounds didn't work - until an icon was selected for the corresponding function key of the CS2 (different loco, not a Senator though).
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Armando		#3 Posted : 14 August 2010 22:40:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		H0 wrote: Which CS? CS2? Is there a symbol at F3? At the last club meeting, some sounds didn't work - until an icon was selected for the corresponding function key of the CS2 (different loco, not a Senator though). Hi Ha Null, It is the CS2 (60214). The symbol at F3 is the "motor sounds" symbol, and it works perfectly. The symbol at F8 is the "horn" symbol and it does not work. The outdated instructions say that the horn is to be operated at F3 on the Central Station. Maybe they were referring to the CS1, but I don't see why the function (if it exists at all) would not operate elsewhere on the CS2. I have tryed all keys so far ohne Erfolg! Thanks!
		Best regards, Armando García
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#4 Posted : 14 August 2010 23:01:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,274 Location: DE-NW		Armando wrote: The symbol at F3 is the "motor sounds" symbol, and it works perfectly. Motor sound should be f2 (the button on top is f0). If it's the flaw we experienced then the horn sound is hiding behind a button without symbol - and it can't be activated until you select a symbol for that button.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Armando		#5 Posted : 14 August 2010 23:07:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		H0 wrote: Armando wrote: The symbol at F3 is the "motor sounds" symbol, and it works perfectly. Motor sound should be f2 (the button on top is f0). If it's the flaw we experienced then the horn sound is hiding behind a button without symbol - and it can't be activated until you select a symbol for that button. The sign on F2 is for turning on/off the LEDs in the table lamps. Do you know someone in Germany who owns the Senator and can confirm if the "horn" sound really exists? Thanks again.
		Best regards, Armando García
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#6 Posted : 15 August 2010 02:59:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,274 Location: DE-NW		The Horn is on f3 (the fourth button from the top, the fifth button from the bottom). On my CS 1 reloaded it was as it should be: While I was at it, I changed the symbols for some sounds: Next change will be a new loco icon ...
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Armando		#7 Posted : 15 August 2010 03:36:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		H0, On the CS2 the display is different: F0= headlights & Interior Lights (not an independent function) F1= Table lamp light F2= Motor sounds F3= Blank (where the horn should have been? However, nothing is activated when I press this key. That's it, that's all. Does the horn operate on yours?????
		Best regards, Armando García
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Dave Banks		#8 Posted : 15 August 2010 06:47:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hello Armando, On My CS 1 it is function four & clearly show the symbol of a horn. On the subject of the Senator, it is a really nice set however I am having problems with it pulling itself along with it's full compliment. At times it just stands still & spins on the level track. I have cleaned the track to ensure there is no oil residue on it but problem persists.I feel it should have had a motor at either end. Note all wheel turn freely but as set is new probably needs to loosen up a bit. Any comments from owners of Senators would be greatly appreciated.
		D.A.Banks
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Armando		#9 Posted : 15 August 2010 07:14:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		DaveB wrote: Hello Armando, On My CS 1 it is function four & clearly show the symbol of a horn. On the subject of the Senator, it is a really nice set however I am having problems with it pulling itself along with it's full compliment. At times it just stands still & spins on the level track. I have cleaned the track to ensure there is no oil residue on it but problem persists.I feel it should have had a motor at either end. Note all wheel turn freely but as set is new probably needs to loosen up a bit. Any comments from owners of Senators would be greatly appreciated. Hi Dave, Can you actually operate a "Horn" sound on your Senator? Mine has the whistle, the motor sounds, the brake sounds and the closing door sounds, apart from the station announcement. But absolutely no horn sound! Zilch! My Senator runs very smoothly and has the power (so far) to pull itself along together with its add-on set. My only sourcer of grief are the nightmarish couplers. Even with utmost care, the male pins inside the connectors will tend to bend.
		Best regards, Armando García
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Dave Banks		#10 Posted : 15 August 2010 08:13:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,026 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Armando, I had to replace my whole first coupling due to a broken pin a while ago. Yes I do have the horn. Try to reload yours onto the CS2 again from scratch. I may help or go for a total rest of that loco. Let me know how you go.
		D.A.Banks
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Armando		#11 Posted : 15 August 2010 08:53:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		DaveB wrote: Armando, I had to replace my whole first coupling due to a broken pin a while ago. Yes I do have the horn. Try to reload yours onto the CS2 again from scratch. I may help or go for a total rest of that loco. Let me know how you go. Dave, Thank you so much for your sound advise. I reset the Senator on the CS2. Still, there was no "horn" function on F4 and no icon either. I went to the edit screen and changed the settings on F4 from switching, momentary and duration while I clicked on the "test" spot. When I moved back to duration, the horn started to work. Why did that happen, I don't know! Edited by user 15 August 2010 18:08:22(UTC)  | Reason: typo
		Best regards, Armando García
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#12 Posted : 15 August 2010 10:51:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,274 Location: DE-NW		Armando wrote: F3= Blank (where the horn should have been? However, nothing is activated when I press this key. As I wrote: on the CS2 (but with different locos) the sound effects worked after assigning an icon to the function key where the sound is. No icon: pressing the key has no effect. Icon selected: pressing the key will trigger the function. I've seen this effect on two different CS2s - probably a flaw in the latest software release ...
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

jeehring		#13 Posted : 15 August 2010 19:11:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		...my question to German enthusiasts and all well informed people &/or any specialists of Marklin in the world : The Senator is no more available in shops, and even has become untraceable...unattainable...and for me it cannot be found ... Do you think that Marklin might be likely to re-edit this master piece one day ?( even with different livery or different registration number or any variation of this train...) thank you per advance
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

jeehring		#14 Posted : 15 August 2010 19:14:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		H0 wrote: Armando wrote: F3= Blank (where the horn should have been? However, nothing is activated when I press this key. As I wrote: on the CS2 (but with different locos) the sound effects worked after assigning an icon to the function key where the sound is. No icon: pressing the key has no effect. Icon selected: pressing the key will trigger the function. I've seen this effect on two different CS2s - probably a flaw in the latest software release ... WHy "a flaw " ? Don't you think that Marklin did it intentionnally ?
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Armando		#15 Posted : 15 August 2010 19:48:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,352 Location: Houston, Texas		jeehring wrote: ...my question to German enthusiasts and all well informed people &/or any specialists of Marklin in the world : The Senator is no more available in shops, and even has become untraceable...unattainable...and for me it cannot be found ... Do you think that Marklin might be likely to re-edit this master piece one day ?( even with different livery or different registration number or any variation of this train...) thank you per advance You can rest assured that Märklin will reissue the Senator in the future, as well as, hopefully, an improved version of the VT11.5. They still need to release the Komet for the first time, which was the "night train" equivalent to the Senator ("day train").
		Best regards, Armando García
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

rschaffr		#16 Posted : 15 August 2010 20:25:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,180 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		Armando wrote: This topic may have been dealt with before. I have the 39100 Senator and the corresponding 41100 add-on set. Needless to say that the process of aligning the micro-pins in the couplers is a real nightmare! My question is: the manual says that the F3 key on the Central Station would activate a "horn" sound. After my Senator registered itself on my CS, it is actually the F8 key that shows the "horn" icon, but there is no action associated with the key. I have tried all keys and there is no horn sound at all produced. Could it be that, as usual with Märklin, the instruction manual is a far cry from what the real-life model turned out to be? Is it only me, or do you all also think that mfx actually sucks? Could anyone who has the Senator please check if there really is a "horn" sound? Thank you and best regards, Armando: Yes the horn works on mine. I am not running mfx..I use an IB and it is at function 3
		-Ron Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051) http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/trains.html
		WWW
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

H0		#17 Posted : 15 August 2010 21:00:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,274 Location: DE-NW		jeehring wrote: even with different livery or different registration number or any variation of this train... There was only one (in the past this hasn't stopped Märklin from inventing new numbers). The Senator had two different liveries during its short life. I'm dang sure we'll see an outsider model in that other livery. The Komet has (at least) different bogies (2 axles vs. 1 axle). I don't know how similar/different they are.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

David Dewar		#18 Posted : 16 August 2010 00:34:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,347 Location: Scotland		Dont have this loco but if you select the horn icon then it should work. If no icon it probably wont work. dave
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

applor		#19 Posted : 16 August 2010 05:16:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/05/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,654 Location: Brisbane, Queensland		I have this issue with several of my MFX sound locos with CS2. I simply go to edit mode and either change the function to on/off rather than momentary and it works. Some require the icon to be edited as well. It's like there's an issue with F3 on the CS2 not registering the sound function properly.
		modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

jeehring		#20 Posted : 16 August 2010 18:07:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		applor wrote: I simply go to edit mode and either change the function to on/off rather than momentary and it works. as I read Armando's post that was exactly what I have been thinking about.....but it tooks too much time for me to find the correct English expression...(that's also why I give up discussions sometimes ...sorry )
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

RayF		#21 Posted : 16 August 2010 18:12:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,840 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		jeehring wrote: applor wrote: I simply go to edit mode and either change the function to on/off rather than momentary and it works. as I read Armando's post that was exactly what I have been thinking about.....but it tooks too much time for me to find the correct English expression...(that's also why I give up discussions sometimes ...sorry ) I think you do a great job, Roland. If I had to express myself in French you would all be rolling about on the floor laughing! I have great admiration for all the non-native English speakers on this forum. You all do an excellent job.
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

jeehring		#22 Posted : 16 August 2010 18:16:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		HO & Armando : thank you for answer ! ( I hope the other livery will come one day...my point of view about this item : a real master piece... so original ...too much character !)
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

jeehring		#23 Posted : 16 August 2010 19:15:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		RayPayas wrote: jeehring wrote: applor wrote: I simply go to edit mode and either change the function to on/off rather than momentary and it works. as I read Armando's post that was exactly what I have been thinking about.....but it tooks too much time for me to find the correct English expression...(that's also why I give up discussions sometimes ...sorry ) I think you do a great job, Roland. If I had to express myself in French you would all be rolling about on the floor laughing! I have great admiration for all the non-native English speakers on this forum. You all do an excellent job. Thank you Ray for supporting & encouraging us (non-native English speakers..)...On the other side , exploring a "foreign" language through thematic forum like this one, also can be a pleasure...(needs time...)One interesting thing this forum has been pointing to me is those differences between American-English expression and English expression...( I didn't know that American expression had such degree of "personnal touch"....) Also : for me reading is easier than writing...
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Users browsing this topic

Guest