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Offline Sam  
#1 Posted : 22 February 2005 02:16:54(UTC)
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Living here in the US, we regularly see 100 car+ trains of freight, but I am wondering what the typical single loc load is in Europe? Is 30 cars too many for a Br152 to be pulling?

Also, what's considered a long pax train, 6 cars?

Thanks

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Offline Hoffmann  
#2 Posted : 22 February 2005 05:26:13(UTC)
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Hello Sam,

Freight Trains are getting longer in Germany (Europe).
Fifty Car Trains are not uncomen and no problem for BR 152.

Passenger Trains (Intercity etc) to major centers are 10-12 Cars.
By the way you can check out D B (Deutsche Bundesbahn)webside and look up the consist of a Passenger Train, check out resevations.
The typical IC Car has 54 Seats, between Frankfurt and Berlin a IC has the Capacity of 736 Passengers which would be 13 Cars Plus (since there is a Dining Car if not two.

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Offline verheyen  
#3 Posted : 22 February 2005 19:23:21(UTC)
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I believe that the overal length of trains is also in directly relates to the length of the blocks they run in. With everything much more compact than in the US, trains just can't be as long.

Peter

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hoffmann
<br />Hello Sam,

Freight Trains are getting longer in Germany (Europe).
Fifty Car Trains are not uncomen and no problem for BR 152.

Passenger Trains (Intercity etc) to major centers are 10-12 Cars.
By the way you can check out D B (Deutsche Bundesbahn)webside and look up the consist of a Passenger Train, check out resevations.
The typical IC Car has 54 Seats, between Frankfurt and Berlin a IC has the Capacity of 736 Passengers which would be 13 Cars Plus (since there is a Dining Car if not two.

Martin
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Offline digilox1  
#4 Posted : 22 February 2005 20:06:15(UTC)
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Don`t know about passenger trains.
Two ICE2=400m
Two ICE3=400m

Guess, the max is about that for passenger trains and the 700m refer to freight trains.

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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 25 February 2005 02:07:00(UTC)
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I found the following information:
- Trains have a maximum length of 700 metres
- Freight trains have a maximum of 250 axles
- Passenger trains have a maximum of 80 axles

I don't know if the axles of the loco are also counted.
19 passenger cars with 27m each gives a total of 513m w/o loco.
BTW: the platform at our local station is long enough for five Silberlings only - trains with 10+ passenger cars can only stop at major stations.

I found no information about the maximum weight. I guess this depends on the type of coupler used and the gradient of the route.

I regularly see trains pulled by 2 BR151 followed by 30+ cars with 6 axles each (I counted 36 cars one day). These trains have automatic couplers.
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Offline steamfriend  
#6 Posted : 25 February 2005 23:19:30(UTC)
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Hi Tom,

can you elaborate on the automatic couplers please ? I know, I am stuck in area III, so my knowledge of today's railroad specs may be outdated, but I do not know about automatic couplers, except for certain passenger commuter trains. Never saw it for freight....

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#7 Posted : 26 February 2005 03:41:03(UTC)
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There is also a requirement that the brakes of the locomotive and the cars be able to stop the load of the entire train within the braking distance of the next signal. This requirement can limit the length of trains carrying heavy loads.

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Offline Sam  
#8 Posted : 26 February 2005 17:30:45(UTC)
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This is what I love about this forum.... the WEALTH of great knowledge! thanks a lot gentleman..

Sam
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 01 March 2005 00:48:48(UTC)
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<br />Hi Tom,
can you elaborate on the automatic couplers please?


Hi, have some pictures:
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Not sure anymore if they are automatic: there is a lever.
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Note: the cars do not have bumpers.

I saw those couplers only with BR151 locos.
The couplers are not like the Scharfenberg couplers you find with ICE, Talent (BR644), and other trains.
I have no idea whether or not there is a similarity to American couplers.

The ore cars look like those available from ROCO (46919).
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Offline Hoffmann  
#10 Posted : 01 March 2005 05:47:41(UTC)
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Hello Tom,

Great Pictures[:p][:p].

I am glad that you did not get run over by a Trainbiggrinbiggrin.

The couplers look a lot like our couplers here[8)][8)]

Martin
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Offline Sam  
#11 Posted : 01 March 2005 06:06:51(UTC)
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I think I've seen where these types of couplers are used in a push pull train, where after the train reaches the top of a steep grade, the pushing loc will release itself from the consist and slow down, leaving the pulling loc to drive off..

I could be wrong, but that's what it looked like when I saw it.
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Offline steamfriend  
#12 Posted : 01 March 2005 21:51:09(UTC)
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Thanks Tom for the pictures. Could not believe my eyes. These couplers seem huge to me. I guess the lever is for uncoupling, the coupling probably will be automatic. It all looks a bit prototypical to me. The loc is in any way converted, that is sure, since it still carries the buffers. Glad to learn something new....

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Bob
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#13 Posted : 29 March 2005 19:00:42(UTC)
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Offline hmsfix  
#14 Posted : 31 March 2005 17:16:19(UTC)
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Hi Tom,

Thank you for the very nice pictures of the automatic couplers. This is typical for large ore trains in Germany. The topic has recently also been discussed in the thread on Tandem or muliple locomotive consists.
I suppose the car on the second photo is a 100 tons six axles ore car. Do you also have an image of the complete car? Unfortunately M* does not have such ore cars in their program, but I have seen nice models from another manufacturer (Roco ?)

The ore trains are loaded and unloaded fully automatically in the ore stations, also connecting and disconnecting of the cars must work without human assistence.
Also the BR 151s as shown here are exclusively used for that trains. I have recently seen that they also use 151s with "Railion" labels.

Hans Martin
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Offline H0  
#15 Posted : 19 May 2006 00:32:08(UTC)
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I guess the automatic couplers on these pictures are UIC Unicouplers.
They were designed in the '60s and should have became the standard coupler in the '70s ...
Compatibility with automatic couplers from eastern states (like Russia) were a design goal.

Long time ago you asked for pictures from the six-axle ore cars.
Here they are ...


This car has been freshly painted (at least at some spots).
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Ore is heavy - remember this when imitating the load.
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"Secret" codes on the side of the freight car.
Capacity: 60,000 liters
Weight of the car: 31,450 kg
Minimum radius: 75m
Maximum up/down angle in track: 1°30'
Can carry 87.5 metric tons at a speed of 100 km/h on certain DB tracks.
A, B1, B2, C, D2, D3, and D4 name the weights for weaker types of tracks.
The car is over-sized and needs permission from the oversize group (LÜ-GRP).
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Suspension of a loaden car
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Some ore on the platform of the car.
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Regards
Tom
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