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Offline laalves  
#1 Posted : 05 February 2008 01:38:39(UTC)
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Does anybody know how to do a 4-way crossing with 4 long K-track turnouts? Which crossing track piece goes in the middle?
Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 05 February 2008 01:57:29(UTC)
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I don't understand the question.
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Offline Purellum  
#3 Posted : 05 February 2008 02:01:44(UTC)
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And I can't help. biggrin biggrin biggrin Sorry luis. [:I]

Dale, you, like I had, have forgotten the "pipe" topic. wink

And John has forgotten the TEKNO topic. Same topic! wink

wink Why I posted here. biggrin

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Offline laalves  
#4 Posted : 05 February 2008 02:22:33(UTC)
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Well, I mean something like this:

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This is forcing tolerances, and using Raily. I was looking for a clean solution, but I'm starting to believe none exist...

Besides, this uses in fact, s-curves, which is a recipe for certain derailment.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 05 February 2008 02:24:03(UTC)
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ok you have to tell us how far apart the two track are...
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Offline laalves  
#6 Posted : 05 February 2008 02:25:32(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by DaleSchultz
<br />ok you have to tell us how far apart the two track are...

It doesn't matter, really. The fact is there is no 14º24' crossing or double switches in the k-track assortment.
Offline Caplin  
#7 Posted : 05 February 2008 03:17:05(UTC)
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Hi Luís,

You are trying to built a "Hosenträger", right?

Can't you use the 2257 crossing (14º26') along with the 22715/22716 turnouts (14º26')?

The straight piece (shown with a 2209 on your figure) you might have to adapt to the correct length (Dremel cutting and soldering required [xx(]).
With C-tracks there were no way to combine standard tracks to fit the gap. [:(!] This is probably the same with K-tracks.

Edited: Have a look here (C-track though) - lots of good advice and suggestions by members: https://www.marklin-user...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=8260

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Offline Hoffmann  
#8 Posted : 05 February 2008 03:22:44(UTC)
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Hello Luis,

How much room do you have, it is possible with the Double slip switch # 2275 (14,26') or the cross over # 2257.

Martin
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Offline laalves  
#9 Posted : 05 February 2008 03:42:25(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hoffmann
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Hello Luis,

How much room do you have, it is possible with the Double slip switch # 2275 (14,26') or the cross over # 2257.

Martin

Hi Martin,

How ?Smile
Offline DaleSchultz  
#10 Posted : 05 February 2008 03:45:06(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:It doesn't matter, really. The fact is there is no 14º24' crossing or double switches in the k-track assortment.

well there is just that ! item 2275 but what you are really looking for is a crossing with 7°14' curves... but this should work very well..

2271 - 2234 curve - 2275 - 2234 curve - 2271
this gives you a distance between the straight parts of 335.2 mm which you can fill with some flex track or the following:

2207 (1) 156
2202 (1) 45
2293 (1) 41.3
2208 (2) 35.1
2204 (1) 22.5

I used my track solver to solve the track pieces needed to fill the 335.2mm gap... http://layout.mixmox.com/1/calc




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Offline DaleSchultz  
#11 Posted : 05 February 2008 03:48:25(UTC)
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and if you are happy with a 121mm spacing between the parallel tracks then you can use:

2271 - 2224 - 2258 crossing - 2224 - 2271
and use 2x 2208 to fill the straight gaps
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Offline laalves  
#12 Posted : 05 February 2008 04:00:00(UTC)
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Thanks for your work Dale!

According to Raily, it still is not a perfect match, it should work. Trouble is, there is still some snaking (s-curves), which shivers me scared...
Offline DaleSchultz  
#13 Posted : 05 February 2008 04:58:12(UTC)
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yes there is a very small amount of error (half a degree if I recall) which you will have to deal with - I think it be OK if you distribute the error evenly. A little bit of filing may also help
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Offline kbvrod  
#14 Posted : 05 February 2008 05:52:18(UTC)
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Hi all,
Great job lads!!!!

IMVHO,there are only a few items on needed for K-track,2205 and any points,Kraus Klappen(4),2 K-track screws,track spikes,rail joiners,period. And one can always use 2-rail points and build your own,...

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Offline Caplin  
#15 Posted : 05 February 2008 10:49:44(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves
<br /> Trouble is, there is still some snaking (s-curves), which shivers me scared...
You can't avoid some s-curves when you connect parallel tracks. As you are planning to use the wide degree turnouts 22715/22716 you should be in the clear. The risk of trouble is higher if you used the narrower 22º30' ones, but that would still work I should think, unless Märklin has made some reservations against it.

However, why consider a double slip crossing between two parallel tracks or are you pre-planning for a third or even more parallel tracks?

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Offline laalves  
#16 Posted : 05 February 2008 14:54:14(UTC)
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I'm planning my main station, based on this:
http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/mm...ads/MM_0406_Download.pdf, page 6, and using only long turnouts.

It's an interesting plan, allowing for a single two-way line and includes a nice shunting yard. I'm planning it for 2-m long trains.

It's a nice thing to do in the hotel, in the evening, when I'm away from actual layout work...
Offline Caplin  
#17 Posted : 05 February 2008 15:07:46(UTC)
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Great station plan.
I see the need for double slip turnouts.
It will take some space when only using slim line turnouts.

Looking forward to see your progress.
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Offline laalves  
#18 Posted : 06 February 2008 00:35:09(UTC)
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Thanks, Lutz.

I was already investigating the possibility of doing some surgery in the switches indeed. Either way, I'll be getting back to this issu later on, since now I'm doing some work in the Bw area.

In the future, I'll update this thread with the results of my endeavours.
Offline weichen-walter  
#19 Posted : 11 February 2008 00:18:03(UTC)
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Hi Luis an other K-fans!

I know whats your problem. I think, I have the adequate answer:

More K-turnouts you can find here:

http://www.weichen-walte...kte/k-weichen/index.html


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Offline PierreGILLARD  
#20 Posted : 11 February 2008 00:54:45(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by weichen-walter
<br />Hi Luis an other K-fans!

I know whats your problem. I think, I have the adequate answer:

More K-turnouts you can find here:

http://www.weichen-walte...kte/k-weichen/index.html



Welcome to this forum, Walter !

Everything we wanted for years is there ... ! Smile

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Offline laalves  
#21 Posted : 11 February 2008 01:23:24(UTC)
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Absolutely Walter. I have recently sent you an email asking for a quotation, to which you replied promptly, and in the meanwhile I have already noticed that you have the crossing I need, and I will be ordering one soon, no doubt!

Luís
Offline steventrain  
#22 Posted : 12 February 2008 18:25:46(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum, Walter.

Your homepage are Excellent.[:p]
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Offline pserup  
#23 Posted : 12 February 2008 20:00:00(UTC)
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Welcome to the forum!

How can a 'normal' slider navigate these tracs without shorts confused

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Offline Caplin  
#24 Posted : 12 February 2008 23:53:18(UTC)
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I am beginning to wonder, if I should have started with K-tracks instead of the (forever?) incomplete series C-tracks! [B)]

Nah, I guess not. C-tracks are better for floor layouts. That's what I have. (Sigh)

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Offline laalves  
#25 Posted : 13 February 2008 01:55:53(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pserup
<br />Welcome to the forum!

How can a 'normal' slider navigate these tracs without shorts confused


Relay polarization control. It's in his site.
Offline weichen-walter  
#26 Posted : 15 February 2008 02:07:35(UTC)
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Hello pserup

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by pserup
<br />Welcome to the forum!

How can a 'normal' slider navigate these tracs without shorts confused




look at this:

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Offline Purellum  
#27 Posted : 15 February 2008 02:28:26(UTC)
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Nice products, Walter!!!

How about 1-gauge? [:p]

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Offline laalves  
#28 Posted : 15 February 2008 03:55:24(UTC)
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BTW, people, I have just ordered THE crossing above from Walter.

As soon as I get it, I'll post a few pics and report on it.
Offline Ladislas  
#29 Posted : 03 February 2009 20:03:09(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves
<br />BTW, people, I have just ordered THE crossing above from Walter.

As soon as I get it, I'll post a few pics and report on it.


If you have time to report on your experience, Luis, I for one would be most interested.
Offline Caplin  
#30 Posted : 03 February 2009 22:17:09(UTC)
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Me too. :o)
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Offline laalves  
#31 Posted : 04 February 2009 00:29:45(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ladislas
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by laalves
<br />BTW, people, I have just ordered THE crossing above from Walter.

As soon as I get it, I'll post a few pics and report on it.


If you have time to report on your experience, Luis, I for one would be most interested.

Hi,

I bought two items from Walter: the crossing to make a large radii hosenträger with four wide K turnouts and one large radii 3-way switch. My impressions are vey positive on the quality of the build and looks but I haven't really tested them, since I haven't finished laying them on the main station area where they will reside.

The 3 way switch comes complete with the required wires to connect to the relays it will need. It's a quite ingenious method to ensure contact and is ilustrated above.
Offline Ladislas  
#32 Posted : 04 February 2009 00:59:59(UTC)
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Thanks very much for this update!
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