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Offline Erekose  
#1 Posted : 06 December 2024 17:38:52(UTC)
Erekose

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Hi all,

this is my first post, beside my member presentation.
I am seeking advice before making an online offer for a Marklin #37993 new in original unopened box.
Since the model dates back from 2009, I am worried it could need maintenance right out of the box, maybe because lubricants have dried out or hardened to the point the Big Boy would not run smoothly.
What do you think?
Offline Copenhagen  
#2 Posted : 06 December 2024 19:36:00(UTC)
Copenhagen


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Be sure to read the manual that can be downloaded from maerklin.de. Just search the model number (you probably already have).
I think it would run fine and it is servicable. But it is a beast of a machine.
I'm sure other people will enter with some advice.
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Offline Erekose  
#3 Posted : 06 December 2024 20:26:02(UTC)
Erekose

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Thank you for replying and yes, I've read the manual ;-)

I know, Marklin quality is outstanding and I may be a bit paranoid, but better always be wary of online offers that appear too good to be true ... If I were in the seller's shoes I couldn't have kept that model hidden from MY sight for over 15 years!
Offline DasBert33  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2024 20:28:07(UTC)
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During my last holiday this summer I too stumbled upon a 2nd hand 37993 at a dealer in Koblenz Germany. I really wanted this model with the single digit roadnumber 4006, as I already had the double digit 4019 (37994), and the lighting color is warmwhite opposed to the earlier bigboy models which I think have yellow leds. After some price negotiation I decided to buy it, partially because I could take it immediately with me from the shop without having to ship it. With these expensive locos and big wooden boxes I am more worried about shipping damage than with regular locos.

Coming to your question, I had the same concerns. My loco was also advertised as being like-new, displaycase model only. In my case the loco did NOT run out of the box, but was just dead on the track! It turned out to be oil that was present between the slider and the slider contact. After removing the slider and cleaning the contacts in question my loco now performs flawless. There was no need for any other maintenance. So make sure you check at least the slider contacts when your loco would seem dead too. I guess it was overoiled from factory and the oil just found its way down over the contacts over time standing in the display case.

Curious what price you intend to pay? I ended up paying 600 euro for my 37993 bigboy model. And 2 weeks ago I paid also 600 euro for a 39911 Challenger at a swap meet. Not sure they are the best bargains but I really wanted both models.

Bert

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Offline mbarreto  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2024 20:30:15(UTC)
mbarreto

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I see it in ebay for bidding starting at 765 euros. Seems too much, but depends on how much you want it and the availability at a lower price.
Unless you want it a lot, I would wait. Others maybe more aware of what is the real value, althouogh I think more in the 500s range would be ok.

Miguel

Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline Erekose  
#6 Posted : 06 December 2024 20:55:33(UTC)
Erekose

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Originally Posted by: DasBert33 Go to Quoted Post
During my last holiday this summer I too stumbled upon a 2nd hand 37993 at a dealer in Koblenz Germany. I really wanted this model with the single digit roadnumber 4006, as I already had the double digit 4019 (37994), and the lighting color is warmwhite opposed to the earlier bigboy models which I think have yellow leds. After some price negotiation I decided to buy it, partially because I could take it immediately with me from the shop without having to ship it. With these expensive locos and big wooden boxes I am more worried about shipping damage than with regular locos.

Coming to your question, I had the same concerns. My loco was also advertised as being like-new, displaycase model only. In my case the loco did NOT run out of the box, but was just dead on the track! It turned out to be oil that was present between the slider and the slider contact. After removing the slider and cleaning the contacts in question my loco now performs flawless. There was no need for any other maintenance. So make sure you check at least the slider contacts when your loco would seem dead too. I guess it was overoiled from factory and the oil just found its way down over the contacts over time standing in the display case.

Curious what price you intend to pay? I ended up paying 600 euro for my 37993 bigboy model. And 2 weeks ago I paid also 600 euro for a 39911 Challenger at a swap meet. Not sure they are the best bargains but I really wanted both models.

Bert


Lots of useful information here, thank you Bert! I do not hope to get a "best" bargain and like you I'd like both the 37993 and the 39911. Do you know what was the price of both locos when they were directly available from Marklin?
Offline Erekose  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2024 21:02:04(UTC)
Erekose

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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

I see it in ebay for bidding starting at 765 euros. Seems too much, but depends on how much you want it and the availability at a lower price.
Unless you want it a lot, I would wait. Others maybe more aware of what is the real value, althouogh I think more in the 500s range would be ok.

Miguel



Yes Miguel, that's the asking price and I also believe it's way too high - I appreciate your giving an estimate of what the correct price may be. Hopefully others may chime in to offer their point of view / experiences.
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Offline DasBert33  
#8 Posted : 06 December 2024 21:05:00(UTC)
DasBert33

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There is a 37993 topic that says the loco was ~640 euros at lokshop, but the recommended price from marklin was 800 euros!
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Offline mike c  
#9 Posted : 06 December 2024 22:03:10(UTC)
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There is another one from Germany: https://www.ebay.de/itm/146232081580?

You may have to go to Germany to pick it up or have it shipped to a MailBox ETC and have it forwarded to you

The Italian seller has a good rating. If it was me, I would ask him to provide a photo of the actual model and not just of the box(es).
He may tell you that it is unopened and he does not want to open it up.

If you purchase using PayPal or Credit Card, you should have additional protection in case of misleading or fraudulent transaction.
You can mention the German one and see if he will agree to match the price.

Regards

Mike C

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Offline Bill L  
#10 Posted : 07 December 2024 00:36:08(UTC)
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I would be really hesitant. If it hasn't been opened yet, then all the delicate plastic details on the body should all be present. I know of friends who have run this big lok on a club layout, and with much hand handling (very heavy lok and very long, need 2 hands), lose a lot of plastic detail parts that drop on the layout, never to be found. So if it has not been taken out of the box, then you are fine.

Second, during the last 2-3 years, Marklin has added a lot more sound functions to these locomotives and this lok from 2009 may be missing a lot of these new sound functions which are nice to have (especially for some people).

I am sharing my input. You may not agree, but remember you are spending a lot of money here and you do not want to regret it.
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Offline Erekose  
#11 Posted : 07 December 2024 11:46:54(UTC)
Erekose

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
There is another one from Germany: https://www.ebay.de/itm/146232081580?

You may have to go to Germany to pick it up or have it shipped to a MailBox ETC and have it forwarded to you
...


Thanks for the heads up, Mike! I've never used a forwarding service from Germany but I'm seriously considering that offer.

Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post

....

The Italian seller has a good rating. If it was me, I would ask him to provide a photo of the actual model and not just of the box(es).
He may tell you that it is unopened and he does not want to open it up.

...



That's what I asked him yesterday, and got a snippy response that I didn't like. He says he doesn't want to miss the chance to sell it as new - but what's the point of buying something you don't even want to look at?

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Offline marklinist5999  
#12 Posted : 07 December 2024 13:10:17(UTC)
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A reputable seller should be cordial, and be willing to post a video of the item in operation demonstrating each function. Just because it's not been run, or even removed from the box, it is no longer new. It's not under warranty.
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Offline Erekose  
#13 Posted : 07 December 2024 13:25:10(UTC)
Erekose

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Originally Posted by: Bill L Go to Quoted Post
I would be really hesitant. If it hasn't been opened yet, then all the delicate plastic details on the body should all be present. I know of friends who have run this big lok on a club layout, and with much hand handling (very heavy lok and very long, need 2 hands), lose a lot of plastic detail parts that drop on the layout, never to be found. So if it has not been taken out of the box, then you are fine.

Second, during the last 2-3 years, Marklin has added a lot more sound functions to these locomotives and this lok from 2009 may be missing a lot of these new sound functions which are nice to have (especially for some people).

I am sharing my input. You may not agree, but remember you are spending a lot of money here and you do not want to regret it.


I would handle the Big Boy with utmost care, believe me Smile
As for the new functions, I read somewhere that it should be possible to update the sounds ...
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Offline GlennM  
#14 Posted : 07 December 2024 13:51:31(UTC)
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With regard to the pricing I would note that a Marklin 37994 (second hand) sold on Friday at a German Auktionhaus for Euros 600 plus auction fee of 21%
Don't look back, your not heading that way.
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Offline mbarreto  
#15 Posted : 07 December 2024 15:05:31(UTC)
mbarreto

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I have a 37993 and I bought it new at the time it was launched into market. The machine is very reliable and sturdy.
I never had a problem of any part falling or broke. It also resists to humidity very well, something the BR 18.5 didn't in some of it's metallic wires.
(The same didn't happen with some locos of other brands).

Miguel
Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline mrmarklin  
#16 Posted : 07 December 2024 15:16:07(UTC)
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No one is going to take a mint condition Lok out of the box to show you. While some small parts may come loose during rough handling of the box, I would buy this without hesitation if I wanted it and the price was right.
From the People's Republik of Kalifornia
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Offline marklinist5999  
#17 Posted : 07 December 2024 15:24:13(UTC)
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I would not buy it that way unless the seller offeres no questions asked paid for returns unless I get total satisfaction! White glove care can be takenb to insure that no finger prints, smudeges or any dust gets on the model taking it out of the box to demonstrate it.
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Offline Erekose  
#18 Posted : 08 December 2024 12:46:37(UTC)
Erekose

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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
With regard to the pricing I would note that a Marklin 37994 (second hand) sold on Friday at a German Auktionhaus for Euros 600 plus auction fee of 21%


Can you give me the name of the German Auktionhaus - may be useful in the future!
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Offline Erekose  
#19 Posted : 08 December 2024 12:49:59(UTC)
Erekose

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Originally Posted by: mrmarklin Go to Quoted Post
No one is going to take a mint condition Lok out of the box to show you. While some small parts may come loose during rough handling of the box, I would buy this without hesitation if I wanted it and the price was right.


I really want the lok but the price IMHO is too high and doubt the seller will accept but a little discount Sad
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Offline mike c  
#20 Posted : 08 December 2024 21:52:37(UTC)
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In the age of internet scams, it is too easy to post photos of the packaging and then when it is delivered, the contents are missing. Some of us remember the iPhone, PlayStation and other scams where they would offer a sealed box but it contained a brick or other object inside the box when opened...

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Willem99  
#21 Posted : 09 December 2024 00:57:06(UTC)
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I once bought a coffee maker at Walmart, looked like a new sealed box.
When I opened it up at home you could still see some coffee grinds in the filter.
Some people are really really good at repackaging.
Needless to say, I took it back the same day.
Now I open the box to inspect it in the store.
Tim
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Offline mrmarklin  
#22 Posted : 09 December 2024 01:04:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
In the age of internet scams, it is too easy to post photos of the packaging and then when it is delivered, the contents are missing. Some of us remember the iPhone, PlayStation and other scams where they would offer a sealed box but it contained a brick or other object inside the box when opened...

Regards

Mike C


Scam could be a problem. In the Lionel world, unopened models are typically sold with X-Ray confirmation. These are very rare models.
From the People's Republik of Kalifornia
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Offline marklinist5999  
#23 Posted : 09 December 2024 14:54:26(UTC)
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Yes, beware the scammers! I'm not saying that every Walmart re-shelves defective or returned items, but that's one more reason for me not to shop there. If it isn't the quality of merchandise, it's the clientelle.
I say the latter because we live ina diverse area. Recently, an employee locally was harrassed by a customer. The phone video taken by another shopper went viral. The employee didn't assist the customer fast enough for her, so she yelled at her to gat over here before she reports her and get's sent to the "Plantation"!
Offline Hannes Porsche  
#24 Posted : 09 December 2024 20:37:14(UTC)
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Hi, this LOKO comes in a box, in a box, in a box and in foam.................... a real hasel to eventually get it on tracks. So extreme care is always required. Also look at the documentation that comes with the loko.!!!!!! Just as important.!!! Lastly what clear photos are available.????
You have to get prior assurances for a E 600 purchase that must not go wrong. You may well have to divulge the name of the seller, so that this group may be in a position to give you more info regarding the seller. Good luck.
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Offline Erekose  
#25 Posted : 10 December 2024 23:55:00(UTC)
Erekose

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
There is another one from Germany: https://www.ebay.de/itm/146232081580?


I wish to thank Mike again, since I followed the above link and ended up buying that Big Boy #37993 instead. The parcel is currently on its way, fingers crossed but the seller has a spotless record and I am confident that everything will end well.


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Offline steventrain  
#26 Posted : 11 December 2024 22:15:17(UTC)
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I already have the 37993 in prefect as new in my collection, It came with factory brown box to protection the Big Boy.

I also have three other Big Boy. Very happy with it. All Marklin Big Boy was a highly collector item.

Marklin 37993 delivery record - First delivery 13th March 2009 - Sold out at factory 25th August 2009.

I hope you like the 37993 Big Boy.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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Offline Erekose  
#27 Posted : 21 December 2024 18:56:40(UTC)
Erekose

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I would like to conclude this topic by confirming that after a comprehensive series of tests on the Big Boy 37993 that I received from Germany everything works perfectly.
The steam locomotive is in mint condition, you wouldn't think it was produced 15 years ago - a real collector's item.
Thanks to everyone for the replies and suggestions.
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