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Offline sudibarba  
#1 Posted : 20 August 2023 04:09:21(UTC)
sudibarba

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I am moving away from digital control for my turnouts. I am moving back to momentary toggle switches. I find working with the CS 3 screen is a pain. I also like the more hands on approach of panels of toggle switches around the layout.
It’s more fun to me.
Comments?
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Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 20 August 2023 13:05:27(UTC)
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Should not be a problem with the CS3 controlling turnouts. I have mine set on routes and one click of the mouse changes them to the desired position. However I do like driving trains without any software so I can understand why you would like to control turnouts by hand. I have too many turnouts to change manually and find using the CS3 is the best way to go.









turnouts
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#3 Posted : 20 August 2023 13:28:03(UTC)
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A few others prefer full analog too. I like using the mouse and CS3 vs. Manual or automation. Some don't even have electric solenoids and use the hand lever with a wand.
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Offline rhfil  
#4 Posted : 20 August 2023 16:45:52(UTC)
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I too prefer the CS3 with a mouse in fact came into the Marklin system precisely because of that advantage
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Offline JohnjeanB  
#5 Posted : 20 August 2023 16:59:11(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Hi Eric
Here a Märklin fan from France with a CS3 and Rocrail control.

Just my opinion:
- The CS3 is a very nice and powerful unit (I don't regret its purchase).
- I agree, controlling switches (especially when you have a lot of them) is not convenient on such a small screen with a finger. Rapidely a pointer device (mouse) is needed
- using an external PC with a large (touch) screen and RealVNC Viewer, the CS3 screen can be displayed a much bigger way.
- since 2013, I use Rocrail to control my layout (50 to 60 switches, DSSs, etc) and it is working very fine BUT PROVIDED you don't try to control switches individually
- rather, it is about automatic train control: a mix of fish-bow operation and schedule operation.
- not controlling switches the digital way, is for you to give up the full digital control (no automatic selection of routes, etc)

It all depends on how you want to control your layout:
1 - a very low level way (selecting each switch, each signal) in real time
2 - control the layout from a much bigger perspective (you don't bother with details (track occupancy, compatibility of selected routes.

Selecting 2 means a sofware control like Rocrail, could help you a lot
Selecting 1 means that, indeed, controling switches and signal the manual way is more fun for you.

Just as an example, here is my control panel with Rocrail
Rocrail Apr2023.png

In this example, you may:
- drag and drop trains: they will only obey if it is safe to do so
- set all locos in RUN mode: they will operate in the fishbowl mode (Rocrail will select, ramdonly each destination depending on occupancy and many other factors
- run following a schedule mode: each train departs on schedule to a preset destination the schedule being either a fixed time or a duration after the previous moment.

Here is a mix mode (fishbowl and schedule modes)


So I believe that past a certain layout size or complexity, you cannot control each element (switch, loco, signal) individually. You must promote yourself to train company chief.
Cheers
Jean



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Offline Copenhagen  
#6 Posted : 21 August 2023 21:26:09(UTC)
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I use a mouse too. If you use toggle switches the CS3 screen will not show the turnout positions correctly.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#7 Posted : 22 August 2023 00:47:20(UTC)
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Hello Eric,
I agree with your take on control of turnouts (or any accessories requiring intervention control).

I have a layout with a CS3+ in a room 2.7 x 3.3 metres, and I can reach all the turnouts (about 20) by hand.
I would like to motorise 3 of the turnouts, but I cannot bring myself to upend the catenary and trackwork to install them.
If I did, I would use the push button control, and not the CS3.
Märklin push-button control of digital signals or turnouts

Certainly using a mouse with the CS3 is mandatory and should be promoted by Märklin in that way.
I used the CS3 for 9 months to control my trains, as a touch screen without a mouse because I did not know it was a feature.
What a painful experience that was (compared to my old CS1).

Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline Luma Moba  
#8 Posted : 22 August 2023 00:57:19(UTC)
Luma Moba

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Ave sudibarba,


I had to laugh seeing the last word "Comments?"

If obvious that most of us who went digital will not go back ...

but you do what you like and stay with what makes you happy!

Not everyone likes the "automatic" control of CS3 or similar.

Like John talks in his post, it always depends what you want to

do with you layout.

Well my comment about your decision:

have fun

Luma







Do not do to others what you do not want to suffer yourself
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Offline sudibarba  
#9 Posted : 22 August 2023 04:20:28(UTC)
sudibarba

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As usual David you have given a fine response as well as many others. I have been away a while from the forum. My layout has long runs. Not much interested programmed running or shunting.
Like to watch the trains and walk around the layout. Have well over 100 Loks and much rolling stock. Not any where near many people but it keeps me more than busy when I get back to my building. I don’t want to sit in a central control seat. Different strokes…..
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Offline heinrichhess  
#10 Posted : 24 August 2023 15:29:11(UTC)
heinrichhess

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I run digital trains with analogue toggle switches all so use solenoid power cutting semaphore's and in my yard hand operated switches and uncouples the main thing I use digital is moving trains in different directions the old m track switches work well the only drawback to semaphore's is they will turn loco of so no smoke or sound I use this to my advantage and hold dampflok's ready to enter section's out of sight as soon as power is turned on smoke start's sound starts and all is ok and saved precious running time on smoke

IF i was to digitize or moving back to the old way i would keep semaphore's on display digital and use train whistle to let me know where trains are running how ever i have not had a fully digital system

hess
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Offline Goofy  
#11 Posted : 24 August 2023 16:21:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sudibarba Go to Quoted Post
I am moving away from digital control for my turnouts. I am moving back to momentary toggle switches. I find working with the CS 3 screen is a pain. I also like the more hands on approach of panels of toggle switches around the layout.
It’s more fun to me.
Comments?


I agree with you! In fact there are still people who use analog control of the turnouts and the signals while digital locomotives uses with digital control. It’s all matter what layout you want to control. I have miniatur switch by change of the turnouts and the signals. It is cheaper too.
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
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Offline BenP  
#12 Posted : 25 August 2023 13:51:27(UTC)
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I completely agree with wanting cs3 screen for controlling switches and signals. Using vnc allows larger screen on tablet or laptop, but not more detail. Just everything bigger. Using a mouse helped, but eventually I abandoned cs3 screen interface and went to PC control. Latter step is big, but offers much better interface and control of layout.
Ben
Digital M (+ some K) track layout with mostly vintage rolling stock and accessories, and small Z scale layout.
https://youtube.com/play...0kgVYbh0CeDTF-bYXoD_2-V9
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Offline applor  
#13 Posted : 26 August 2023 07:36:34(UTC)
applor

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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The ESU decoders have outputs for manual control from a switch - the best of both worlds.

I use them with my roundhouse door servos, so I can easily push the nearby button to open the shed door, or it can be opened via Rocrail/CS2.
modelling era IIIa (1951-1955) Germany
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