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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 26 April 2023 17:59:20(UTC)
Goofy


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Have you had problems with the ESU steam locomotive BR78, which also emits smoke liquid via cylinders?
It doesn´t look good that smoke fluid is getting into the locomotive under the chassis and on the wheels.
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Offline franciscohg  
#2 Posted : 26 April 2023 19:33:49(UTC)
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Hello, not problems at all around here
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Offline bph  
#3 Posted : 28 April 2023 00:42:56(UTC)
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Are you using to the ESU smoke fluid?
Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 28 April 2023 06:31:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Are you using to the ESU smoke fluid?


Yes i have ESU smoke fluid.

H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline bph  
#5 Posted : 28 April 2023 11:58:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Are you using to the ESU smoke fluid?


Yes i have ESU smoke fluid.



you can try sending an email to this company and explain your situation. And see what they say about if their product is suitable and how the product performs.
https://www.modellbahnprofi.com/
(It's the stuff Märklin uses in their cleaning videos.)
ESU is a bit vague in their content description of the smoke fluid, so it might be that other products are more "pure" and leaves less residue. but this is up to you and of course at your own "risk". The SR 24 Dampfdestillat is a similar product, but on some youtube videos it seems like it leaves a bit of residue on the boiler when used, so it might have different ingredients.......

but in any case, the modellbahnprofi and similar products are basically a cleaner, so if this gets on parts that need to be lubricated, you have to lubricate more often.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 28 April 2023 15:47:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post

ESU is a bit vague in their content description of the smoke fluid, so it might be that other products are more "pure" and leaves less residue.


Have you checked the MSDS for their product (it must be on their website)?

That will tell you the active ingredients.

Offline bph  
#7 Posted : 28 April 2023 19:47:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post

ESU is a bit vague in their content description of the smoke fluid, so it might be that other products are more "pure" and leaves less residue.


Have you checked the MSDS for their product (it must be on their website)?

That will tell you the active ingredients.



yes had a look at the data sheets a while back and ESU uses only the general term "Paraffine (Erdöl) normale C5-20"
The Steam & Clean Dampfdestillat list only the more processed/refined narrow range of carbons: C11-C13, (Kohlenwasserstoffe, C11-C13, Isoalkane, < 2 % Aromaten (EG-Nr.: 920-901-0), it also goes under several different names and is apparently also quite commonly used in and car polish and beauty products etc.)
that is why it might be something to look into.
Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 29 April 2023 10:31:42(UTC)
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I hope Märklin will not follow same step like ESU to produce steam locomotive like with the smoke fluid outside of the cylinders too.
Nuts on the tie rods are also affected.
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Offline dickinsonj  
#9 Posted : 30 April 2023 01:04:10(UTC)
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I agree. I think that feature is cool but too difficult to get right in HO scale, at least so far.

I am happy with fewer toys if my locos are reliable and always ready to run. ThumpUp
Regards,
Jim

I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
So many trains and so little time.
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