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Offline Marklineisenbahn  
#1 Posted : 11 July 2022 16:58:14(UTC)
Marklineisenbahn

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Hallo Dreileiters,
I have a question if any of you have more information about this Bavarian layout ?


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I'm especially interested in track plan / hidden stagging yard underneath! It’s very tempting indeed and having plans available will save me a lot of drafting & erasing. [ I do not use computer generated programs- I am old school pencil & paper] so can anyone help ???
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Märklineisenbahn
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#2 Posted : 11 July 2022 18:26:07(UTC)
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Well, I think that it is a simple folded dog bone (?) design with no hidden staging underneath unless you send a hidden spur off under the castle on the lower loop. However, I am as always open to correction. Cool
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#3 Posted : 11 July 2022 20:59:16(UTC)
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Also, if we are talking HO, this is still fairly large layout, although it seems compressed.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 11 July 2022 23:35:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
Also, if we are talking HO, this is still fairly large layout, although it seems compressed.


Would be a good way to use all those 24130 curves from start sets though ... BigGrin

Alsterstreek is well versed in doing this ... Woot
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#5 Posted : 12 July 2022 10:18:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Go to Quoted Post
I have a question if any of you have more information about this Bavarian layout ?
Could you indicate where you found this image? That would ease the search. As you mention "Bavarian", it seems as if you have some more information, since such a scenery could be anywhere in the "southern hemisphere" of Germany. The drawing looks like a work by one of the "classic" German MRR magazine illustrators. Unfortunately, I cannot decipher the initials on the right side of the drawing.

Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Go to Quoted Post
I'm especially interested in track plan / hidden stagging yard underneath!
These "classic" illustrations tend to be overoptimistic, so I would not expect too much regarding hidden staging.

Maybe this Stummiforum track plan thread on the compact multi-level KAKTUS (= "Klein-Anlagen-Konzept-Testbetrieb-Und-Spielgeeignet" = small-layout-concept-test-operation-and-play-suitable) concept might be of interest in this context - please scroll down for finding all illustrations:

https://www.stummiforum....ge-quot-KAKTUS-quot.html
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 12 July 2022 18:49:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Go to Quoted Post
I have a question if any of you have more information about this Bavarian layout ?

...
The drawing looks like a work by one of the "classic" German MRR magazine illustrators. Unfortunately, I cannot decipher the initials on the right side of the drawing.


When I first saw it i thought it was done by one of the 'classic' English magazine illustrators. There is one very prolific guy who has many books and magazine plans with similar style of drawing that I initially assumed had drawn it.

I would also be interested to find out where the illustration came from.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#7 Posted : 12 July 2022 19:21:33(UTC)
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Here it is:

http://www.guidetozscale.com/html/the_dream.html

Near the bottom of the page

"In 2004, Trix would revisit the track plan book with a new edition, their No. 69012. In so many ways, it shows the progress of 25 years. Here, a round layout, measuring 110 cm (44”) in diameter"

Mini-Trix N-scale...
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#8 Posted : 12 July 2022 19:55:50(UTC)
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And low and behold Pages 48-49 (56-57 on this pdf)

https://streaming.maerkl...12_Minitrix_Ratgeber.pdf

And we find that "Perspektivische Zeichnungen: Reinhold Barkhoff"
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Offline Marklineisenbahn  
#9 Posted : 12 July 2022 23:40:31(UTC)
Marklineisenbahn

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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
And low and behold Pages 48-49 (56-57 on this pdf)

https://streaming.maerkl...12_Minitrix_Ratgeber.pdf

And we find that "Perspektivische Zeichnungen: Reinhold Barkhoff"


Hallo Dreileiters, Good Day Jimmy T,
Actually you made my day Sir!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all your help - for taking time to reply and provide pdf plan- what a good deed.Truly appreciated on this end. 😊
I knew I can count on members help on this forum!
My Bests,
Respectfully…
Märklineisenbahn
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#10 Posted : 13 July 2022 10:14:15(UTC)
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Nice Barkhoff study, which in the end it turns out to be a twisted oval without hidden staging.

P.S,: Bavaria finds no mention.
P.P.S.: Moreover, the publication is a good source of inspiration.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#11 Posted : 13 July 2022 11:37:22(UTC)
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Märklineisenbahn,

You are most welcome! BigGrin Always glad to help where I can! Cool We are definitely "Kindred Spirits" ThumpUp

Alsterstreek,

It certainly is a tribute to Barkhoff's talent! Love

P. S. I was thinking...one could possibly put a point in at "A" in that wee tunnel on the track plan and run it down to a hidden holding yard following the same rise angle as the outside track of the oval (somewhat "helix-like"), but then you are tied to mostly curved lines for holding trains, although that is a minor hindrance. Wink Wink

Edited by user 13 July 2022 15:01:36(UTC)  | Reason: Add P. S.

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