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Offline wildstix  
#1 Posted : 22 November 2021 15:25:24(UTC)
wildstix

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Hey beautiful people in the mini world!

I have another question. I'm offered 8529 and 8589 at a very good price. However, my knowledge about their function is very limited. All that I know is they are working as the automatic signal/crossing feeder. I'm thinking to create an auto stop and go in my layout, and I believe these two are the ones that I need for that.
So, are they reliable? And if yes, where can I find a crash course on how to install them (preferably in videos)? I really need your advice on this one. All replies are highly appreciated!

Thanks and cheers!
Oka aka W. Kapriandi
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Offline Hatoil  
#2 Posted : 22 November 2021 17:18:44(UTC)
Hatoil

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Hi! I find them very reliable. I use those to automate blocks, allowing me to run up to three trains along the same mainline on a rather small layout.

The only problem I have had is some non-marklin locos that don't trigger them. Easily fixed by a small piece of tape underneath the loco to make it "lower".
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Offline zscalehobo  
#3 Posted : 22 November 2021 19:00:59(UTC)
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Covered in detail in the 0296 book found free on-line.

https://www.maerklin.de/...Buch_Spur_Z_komplett.pdf
Frank Daniels
Owner - z.scale.hobo
A Noch "Top Dealer"
Marklin Dealer and Z Locomotive Service
Irvine, California, USA
www.zscalehobo.com
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Offline wildstix  
#4 Posted : 23 November 2021 01:06:19(UTC)
wildstix

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Originally Posted by: Hatoil Go to Quoted Post
Hi! I find them very reliable. I use those to automate blocks, allowing me to run up to three trains along the same mainline on a rather small layout.

The only problem I have had is some non-marklin locos that don't trigger them. Easily fixed by a small piece of tape underneath the loco to make it "lower".


Thanks, Hatoil! Well, the good thing is, I don't run non-Marklin trains 😁
Oka aka W. Kapriandi
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8875 Diesellok BR 216
8892 Schnellzuglokomotiven
88484 Elektrolokomotive Re 14
88807 Diesellok BR 218 Cottbus
Offline wildstix  
#5 Posted : 23 November 2021 01:07:55(UTC)
wildstix

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Originally Posted by: zscalehobo Go to Quoted Post
Covered in detail in the 0296 book found free on-line.

https://www.maerklin.de/...Buch_Spur_Z_komplett.pdf


Thank you for directing me there, Frank! 🙏
Oka aka W. Kapriandi
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8875 Diesellok BR 216
8892 Schnellzuglokomotiven
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Offline Zme  
#6 Posted : 23 November 2021 03:47:19(UTC)
Zme

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Hello. Hope all is well.

As I recall, when in use to stop and start locomotives, the stops and starts are abrupt. They don’t provide a transition to the stop or the start. Perhaps this aspect has since been remedied.

One thing I could suggest is the stop location should be out of view.

Let’s us know how you end up applying these.

Thanks. Take good care.

Dwight


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Offline wildstix  
#7 Posted : 23 November 2021 08:26:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zme Go to Quoted Post
Hello. Hope all is well.

As I recall, when in use to stop and start locomotives, the stops and starts are abrupt. They don’t provide a transition to the stop or the start. Perhaps this aspect has since been remedied.

One thing I could suggest is the stop location should be out of view.

Let’s us know how you end up applying these.

Thanks. Take good care.

Dwight




Hey Dwight,

Thank you for sharing your experience. Honestly, I'm not looking to smooth stop or start because it's a freakin' Z scale. So as long as it works, I'm a happy child!
I do hope that there is an instruction video on how to set them up...still no luck so far. The pdf from Marklin is great! But I think I couldn't export that into a full grasp of the matter.
Oka aka W. Kapriandi
8800 Dampflok BR 89
8875 Diesellok BR 216
8892 Schnellzuglokomotiven
88484 Elektrolokomotive Re 14
88807 Diesellok BR 218 Cottbus
Offline Hatoil  
#8 Posted : 23 November 2021 09:01:37(UTC)
Hatoil

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Originally Posted by: wildstix Go to Quoted Post


Hey Dwight,

Thank you for sharing your experience. Honestly, I'm not looking to smooth stop or start because it's a freakin' Z scale. So as long as it works, I'm a happy child!
I do hope that there is an instruction video on how to set them up...still no luck so far. The pdf from Marklin is great! But I think I couldn't export that into a full grasp of the matter.


Ok, here's the only video I have found. Sadly it's in Swedish, with no subtitles :(



The circuit tracks are really just momentary switches, triggered by the locomotive. So you also need signals (or relays) and isolated parts of the track. I remember it took some time for me to figure it out, but that was also kind of the fun part :)
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Offline wildstix  
#9 Posted : 24 November 2021 02:23:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hatoil Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: wildstix Go to Quoted Post


Hey Dwight,

Thank you for sharing your experience. Honestly, I'm not looking to smooth stop or start because it's a freakin' Z scale. So as long as it works, I'm a happy child!
I do hope that there is an instruction video on how to set them up...still no luck so far. The pdf from Marklin is great! But I think I couldn't export that into a full grasp of the matter.


Ok, here's the only video I have found. Sadly it's in Swedish, with no subtitles :(



The circuit tracks are really just momentary switches, triggered by the locomotive. So you also need signals (or relays) and isolated parts of the track. I remember it took some time for me to figure it out, but that was also kind of the fun part :)


Got it!
Thanks for the video, at this point, language is not of concern for me. I see the setup in the real world and that is all I need 😊
I guess, I should just enjoy the fun of figuring it out, just like you said 😌

Cheers 👏
Oka aka W. Kapriandi
8800 Dampflok BR 89
8875 Diesellok BR 216
8892 Schnellzuglokomotiven
88484 Elektrolokomotive Re 14
88807 Diesellok BR 218 Cottbus
Offline wildstix  
#10 Posted : 29 November 2021 08:46:14(UTC)
wildstix

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Hey beautiful people in the mini world!

So, the tracks are here with me. I have watched the video shared by Hatoil and the pdf from Frank and I think now I'm getting a clearer idea of how to install the wirings. However, I also noticed that for me to set up stop and start, I might need other stuff to work with these two. So for my plan, a stop and start, what are the other accessories that I still need?

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Thank you before and stay safe!
Oka aka W. Kapriandi
8800 Dampflok BR 89
8875 Diesellok BR 216
8892 Schnellzuglokomotiven
88484 Elektrolokomotive Re 14
88807 Diesellok BR 218 Cottbus
Offline Zme  
#11 Posted : 29 November 2021 17:17:31(UTC)
Zme

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Hello. Hope all is well.

I think many considering this type of function have been doing it with Digital components. That is why, it may be hard to find extensive information about it.

I did find this Youtube. The replies to this indicate the circuit diagram is available on the posters Facebook site. Perhaps this is what you might find useful.



Let us know what you discover.

Take good care.

Dwight

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Offline Mman  
#12 Posted : 01 December 2021 12:11:33(UTC)
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What do you want to do exactly?
To have trains stopping and starting automatically you need a minimum of two trains and three signal (block) sections comprising: three switching tracks, three isolating rails, three insulating fishplates, three 8940 semaphore signals (which incorporate relays) or three 8945 universal relays and three 8939 colour light signals if you can’t get or don’t want the semaphore signals.
The signals and relays are not cheap and although used examples are a possibility there is the risk that they won’t work. Been there, done that!
Each signal section must be longer than the longest train in use and given a big enough layout you could have as many sections as you wanted.
Good luck.
ChrisG
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Offline wildstix  
#13 Posted : 02 December 2021 07:32:53(UTC)
wildstix

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Originally Posted by: Mman Go to Quoted Post
What do you want to do exactly?

Exactly to have trains stopping and starting automatically 😊


Originally Posted by: Mman Go to Quoted Post
To have trains stopping and starting automatically you need a minimum of two trains and three signal (block) sections comprising: three switching tracks, three isolating rails, three insulating fishplates, three 8940 semaphore signals (which incorporate relays) or three 8945 universal relays and three 8939 colour light signals if you can’t get or don’t want the semaphore signals.

This is very helpful!!! A narrowed-down list of items needed is a suggestion I'm hoping for 👏


Originally Posted by: Mman Go to Quoted Post
The signals and relays are not cheap and although used examples are a possibility there is the risk that they won’t work. Been there, done that!

Aren't we all 😅 But I'm willing go for it.

Originally Posted by: Mman Go to Quoted Post
Each signal section must be longer than the longest train in use and given a big enough layout you could have as many sections as you wanted.
Good luck.
ChrisG

Yes, this is what I noticed the first time from that Marklin Gleisanlagen-Buch Spur Z pdf 😅 But I reckon I will have enough room to put it into practice later. This is awesome,Chris! Truly appreciate your inputs!

Cheers, and stay safe! 😊

Oka aka W. Kapriandi
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8875 Diesellok BR 216
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