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Offline Br502362  
#1 Posted : 09 September 2021 08:52:31(UTC)
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MÄRKLIN 1963

Cheers

Åke
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Offline PJMärklin  
#2 Posted : 09 September 2021 10:03:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Br502362 Go to Quoted Post

MÄRKLIN 1963

Cheers

Åke


Hi Åke,

Thanks for your interesting video post.ThumpUp

I particularly liked the bit where a chap was hand-ladling the molten zinc alloy
into the casting press each locomotive Laugh

Regards,

Philip
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Offline cookee_nz  
#3 Posted : 09 September 2021 10:37:41(UTC)
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Thanks, it's an interesting video but that one links to a defective copy, the sound cuts out at 7:00 for some time.

I have a copy on my channel with full audio - enjoy BigGrin

The thumbnail I have used is from the 1963 Werbehilfen (Publicity Aids) catalogue where the actual film is a listed item that the dealers could purchase.



The film was listed as item # 18 630. In the English version of that catalogue, the title is "Of Great Renown, In Great Demand"
(only a very poor image sorry, better than nothing until a better scan comes my way)

1963 - Marklin Publicity Aids 63-64 (cover).jpg


In Swedish, it is "Berömd och begärlig" (almost sounds a mix of Germanic & Gaelic) From the 1963 sales catalogue "Reklamhjälp"


1963-64 - Reklamhjalp-p01.jpg



And Spanish - "Cèlebre y deseado" (from 1964 sales catalogue "Ayuda propagandistica")


1964-p16.jpg


The actual film however was only available with German narration. Sub-titles would have been nice. If I had a translation of the narration I could probably add a sub-title file

From the German Werbehilfen

1963-Werbehilfen-p01.jpg

Edited by user 09 September 2021 23:04:31(UTC)  | Reason: Added further info & images

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#4 Posted : 09 September 2021 11:05:13(UTC)
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Hi,
Thanks to both Åke and Cookee. This is a great movie with a delicious flavour of the early 60s
I enjoyed it
Jean
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Offline marklinist5999  
#5 Posted : 09 September 2021 11:08:53(UTC)
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Amazing! They seem to have made ever nut and bolt in house. The hand machining, artistry and assembly too.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 09 September 2021 11:10:32(UTC)
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Makes me want a new 3021 V200!
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Offline marklinist5999  
#7 Posted : 09 September 2021 13:26:06(UTC)
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Yes for the heft and quality, but plus an mfx sound decoder, a drivers cab with lighting, engine room lighting, and modern coupler guides.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 09 September 2021 13:50:32(UTC)
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No, none of that stuff - there's plenty of V200 / BR220 / BR221 models with sound and lights and bells and whistles and mfx.

I'm talking about a good old fashioned solid 3021 analog loco preferably in a 1960's blue box as shown in the video.

And yes, I do have the 30210 loco.
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Offline PJMärklin  
#9 Posted : 09 September 2021 15:07:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
No, none of that stuff - there's plenty of V200 / BR220 / BR221 models with sound and lights and bells and whistles and mfx.

I'm talking about a good old fashioned solid 3021 analog loco preferably in a 1960's blue box as shown in the video.

And yes, I do have the 30210 loco.


Hi David,

I understandably agree ! There is something about the older 3021s that stirs the innards OhMyGod

This 3021 would be about the third Märklin loco I acquired when starting out in 1983 (I was a
"slow-starter"). I note on this great forum that there are members who have a dozen or so
3021's, many very much older than mine and bearing testimony to those members' delight
in this Märklin model.
I later converted mine to digital with the old 6080 around 1996. I love its steady grinding stamina Love :

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As you say, whilst there are later derivatives , it is the legend.BigGrin

I more recently gained this 220 and converted it to a 5-pole motor and digital with an ESU Lokpilot :

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In the past I was further enamoured of the original V200 on reading more about it in this this publication :


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which had an informative section about the V200. A few samples :

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So, my dear old 3021 has now come to the top of my waiting list for a 5-pole motor/ESU Lokpilot conversion !


Regards,

PhilipSmile

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#10 Posted : 09 September 2021 16:43:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
No, none of that stuff - there's plenty of V200 / BR220 / BR221 models with sound and lights and bells and whistles and mfx.

I'm talking about a good old fashioned solid 3021 analog loco preferably in a 1960's blue box as shown in the video.

And yes, I do have the 30210 loco.

Hi
Are you talking about this one? It was manufactured in 1965
3021 V200.jpg
"Superbe machine " as we say here
Cheers
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Offline Ranjit  
#11 Posted : 09 September 2021 17:40:25(UTC)
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Thank you, Åke and Steven, for sharing this amazing video ! This is truly Märklin manufacturing quality at its very best. And yes, this is what I grew up with playing hours on end in the early 60s. I just couldn't get tired of it, and I simply became addicted to the wonderful world of Märklin from that time onwards !

Hey David... I too have the replica #30210 to commemorate 75 years of Märklin HO ! Isn't it simply magic just holding this classic locomotive in your hands ?

Take care and stay safe.

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#12 Posted : 09 September 2021 17:47:24(UTC)
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when the lady paints the stripe down the length of the V200, did she use a paintbrush with long bristles or what? One long stroke and its done.
It looks like the groove on the loco guides the wet brush...
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Offline Ranjit  
#13 Posted : 09 September 2021 17:51:09(UTC)
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The ladies were just good at the Arts, Dale ! They also had very steady hands !

Cheers,
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Offline marklinist5999  
#14 Posted : 09 September 2021 21:53:25(UTC)
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I knew our former retired postmaster's wife. She was from Ulm. They married in germany when he was staioned there in the 1950's. Her girl friend worked at Marklin as a a machinist.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#15 Posted : 09 September 2021 22:57:23(UTC)
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I corresponded with a guy who knew a postman who's wife had a friend that worked there.
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Offline cookee_nz  
#16 Posted : 10 September 2021 04:10:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
I corresponded with a guy who knew a postman who's wife had a friend that worked there.


The ultimate friend of a friend of a friend.... BigGrin
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Offline Ranjit  
#17 Posted : 10 September 2021 04:24:49(UTC)
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#18 Posted : 10 September 2021 11:28:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PJMärklin Go to Quoted Post
I understandably agree ! There is something about the older 3021s that stirs the innards OhMyGod


The V200 was my very first (1971 - 3122 set) and the very first is always special. The V200 / BR220 is my favourite diesel loco.

3122_01.jpg

I also have a 3121 blue box set set......

2.jpg

....And a 3021

1.JPG

As well as the aforementioned 30210

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Total number of V200 / BR220 - 9 including 7 H0, 1 G1 and 1 Z.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#19 Posted : 10 September 2021 17:49:20(UTC)
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I have a couple of the Primex ones. They have different road numbers.

I don't know how many different road numbers Marklin produced between the Marklin and Primex product lines, but it would make an interesting study of kolls ...

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#20 Posted : 13 September 2021 15:47:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Thanks, it's an interesting video but that one links to a defective copy, the sound cuts out at 7:00 for some time.

I have a copy on my channel with full audio - enjoy BigGrin

The thumbnail I have used is from the 1963 Werbehilfen (Publicity Aids) catalogue where the actual film is a listed item that the dealers could purchase.




Boy is that a trip of nostalgia. It is amazing how many processes in the production were largely automated, and then finally at the end the loco gets a 'gepruft' tag with an initial on it. ThumpUp Don't see that these days though ... ThumbDown

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Offline Mr. Ron  
#21 Posted : 14 September 2021 04:03:10(UTC)
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German engineering, German quality; that's why they cost so much. There has to be a tremendous investment in the machines used to produce Marklin. I would expect to see all that machinery in an automotive plant, but all that for a model train.
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Offline marklinist5999  
#22 Posted : 14 September 2021 11:57:42(UTC)
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Surely Ron! Automotive stamping machinery is way larger though. Today more investment is in the engineering, as robotics, computer design, etc. Most of the giant machinery has been moved to Mexico, etc. for part and component manufacturing. Our assembly plants use more robots now than people. However, many have retired, and some are hiring.
Offline marklinist5999  
#23 Posted : 14 September 2021 12:04:03(UTC)
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Additionally, my grandfather was a tool maker, and a houroligist as a hobby. He sent a small drill bit with a hole drilled into its shank to a colleague in Germany, proud of t. The man from Germany sent a smaller one back with a hole drilled in it!!
Offline Purellum  
#24 Posted : 14 September 2021 21:23:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
Additionally, my grandfather was a tool maker, and a houroligist as a hobby. He sent a small drill bit with a hole drilled into its shank to a colleague in Germany, proud of t. The man from Germany sent a smaller one back with a hole drilled in it!!


Apparently that happened to a lot of fathers and grandfathers................... LOL

https://www.practicalmac...rill-bit-smaller-137349/

Note the link in post #4 Laugh

Per.

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