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Offline gcanton  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2021 13:41:26(UTC)
gcanton

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Hello,

Could anybody let me have a copy of the english instructions for this model please?

The thing that bothers me is they are quite old now and with outside frames knowing how to change the traction tyres is best not done by removing every screw until it comes apart. I don't mind that approach with a maxi wagon but this is a lot more challenging. Where to lubricate would be handy too.

My one is missing a buffer, crew, smoke oil and alternative couplings but in very good condition, it only cost about a third of a truly mint one.

Which means I can repair it for pennies and then enjoy running it in the garden.

Experience has shown it is important to look after the larger models more carefully than you can get away with in HO.

Steel axles in brass bearings will seize if not looked after, then the motor is damaged, the decoder fried and a world of pain begins. Luckily with a Maxi 140.

Graham




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#2 Posted : 27 June 2021 18:21:34(UTC)
Nigel Packer

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Hi Graham,

I have one, but it’s not very accessible. If you can give me a day or two I’ll dig it out for you and copy the booklet.

Nigel
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#3 Posted : 28 June 2021 12:21:25(UTC)
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Here's a scan of the Gauge 1 55530 (Tristan) manual.


55530_Manual.pdf (5,794kb) downloaded 42 time(s).


As you can see, it's typically minimalist Märklin publication. This model was a special, made in small numbers, and has never been reissued. You may be able to see that the manual has been updated and corrected by the factory, (literally) by cutting and pasting small pieces of paper onto the pages.


Graham, I'm not sure that any Märklin Gauge 1 locos have traction tyres. Tristan certainly doesn't.

I hope this gives you what you need. There was no other documentation provided with this loco.


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Offline gcanton  
#4 Posted : 28 June 2021 13:18:54(UTC)
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Thank-you,

I've attached a picture of my wheels with traction tyres. So not only did Marklin commission them in Korea (I remember the proud parents using it in publicity and possibly for backdoor sales) in a small batch but they have differences as well. I suspect replacement tyres might have to be a very careful infill with a suitable latex. I'll keep it out the sun and pray meanwhile. traction tyres.jpg

You are right about the group, it is a lifesaver for cruising Fleabay and then beating elderly bargains into life.

Do you power up your loco? Marklin make the ingredients for a sound file to fit a MSD3 decoder and there is lots of room to piggyback the existing decoder in the tender and locate the speaker underneath to add the bells and whistles (and injectors, coal shoveling etc). Even a Bavarian anthem if you find an MP3 online.

Bizarrely they don't offer it as a download but as you hunt around the sound library they are all there.

Graham

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#5 Posted : 28 June 2021 17:55:55(UTC)
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Yes, I can apply power to the train in my display case. Not for running, though, just for the lights.

I've done lots of decoder upgrades, but I think I will leave this loco in original condition!

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
H0 Collection from 1935 to today.
Offline Purellum  
#6 Posted : 28 June 2021 20:14:03(UTC)
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Graham, I'm not sure that any Märklin Gauge 1 locos have traction tyres.Tristan certainly doesn't.


Most Gauge 1 locos have traction tyres; I can right now only remember a few 2-axle MAXI-models that doesn't have BigGrin

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 28 June 2021 22:14:26(UTC)
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You can buy replacement 1 Gauge traction tyres - I got a couple of packs a few years ago. They are clear rather than black rubber like the H0 ones.
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#8 Posted : 29 June 2021 00:13:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
You can buy replacement 1 Gauge traction tyres - I got a couple of packs a few years ago. They are clear rather than black rubber like the H0 ones.



They are not mentioned in the instructions for the loco, or in any catalogue entry I have found for a Gauge 1 model. Every H0 loco item description mentions tyres.

How are you supposed to know what the part numbers are? I have all the sizes of H0 tyres in stock, but I don’t know any numbers for Gauge 1.

I’ve just found that 591500 is the number for tyres for my Class 44, but only by looking in the exploded diagram. The catalogue or product description does not mention that the loco has tyres.

Very odd, and totally inconsistent across the different gauges!

Nigel
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 29 June 2021 02:15:06(UTC)
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Sorry, I meant to go grab them to get the part numbers but as I'm working from home (we are under a L2 Covid lockdown at the moment) I got distracted by work....... :-0

Yes, I have E519500 for my BR44 and E47100 which I think are for my V200 loco.
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#10 Posted : 29 June 2021 09:51:43(UTC)
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And 47529/475290 for the Crocodile (5756 in my case).

I wonder if there’s a comprehensive list somewhere?

It seems that some of these are out of production, which isn’t great for people who run these locos.

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Offline Purellum  
#11 Posted : 29 June 2021 16:04:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
And 47529/475290 for the Crocodile (5756 in my case).


The German Ebay seller "Playscout" had some 47529 for sale last year; I think they buy shops and sell everything of at Ebay.

It could easily be that they have more, they put a lot up on Ebay, and then take a break for some weeks, and then again a lot up.

If you look at the product description of the 55530 on Marklin.de, it is actually mentioned that it has "4 haftreifen" Cool

https://www.maerklin.de/...e/details/article/55530/

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#12 Posted : 29 June 2021 16:31:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
And 47529/475290 for the Crocodile (5756 in my case).


If you look at the product description of the 55530 on Marklin.de, it is actually mentioned that it has "4 haftreifen" Cool

https://www.maerklin.de/...e/details/article/55530/

Per.

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So it does! I'd missed that!

Not mentioned in the instruction manual, though, and no part number given anywhere that I have found.

Thanks,

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
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Offline Purellum  
#13 Posted : 01 July 2021 21:01:25(UTC)
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Cool

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And 47529/475290 for the Crocodile (5756 in my case).


They are now on Ebay again Cool

You should ask if you could get a better shipping price........... Crying

https://www.ebay.com/itm...b4f63:g:8yMAAOSwn0xfZHtm

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#14 Posted : 01 July 2021 23:55:25(UTC)
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Cool

Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
And 47529/475290 for the Crocodile (5756 in my case).


They are now on Ebay again Cool

You should ask if you could get a better shipping price........... Crying

https://www.ebay.com/itm...b4f63:g:8yMAAOSwn0xfZHtm

Per.

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Thank you, Per.

The shipping price is crazy - these tyres will fit in a normal letter!

Best wishes,

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
H0 Collection from 1935 to today.
Offline Purellum  
#15 Posted : 02 July 2021 00:43:41(UTC)
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The shipping price is crazy - these tyres will fit in a normal letter!


I've just sent you a message, and then I decided to ask my good friend Google if tires for the newer models would fit, and look what I found:

https://www.ebay.ch/itm/...c4783:g:5uoAAOSwqFVeV-MF

I have no idea if they fit or not; but several places have them for sale:

https://www.harburger-lo...Nr=52-E591500&p=1402

https://modellbaustudio-...rsatzteil-Fabrikneu.html

https://shop.zugkraft-st...-raddurchmesser-ab-38-mm

The strange thing is that they apparently are sold out, strange because the also fits e.g. V60, BR91 and E91.

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Online Nigel Packer  
#16 Posted : 02 July 2021 10:09:26(UTC)
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Hello Per,

Thank you for all your research!

I have ordered some of the 591500 from eBay, as that is the simplest for getting them sent to the UK.

It seems as though these are compatible with the crocodile, and I have no understanding of the Märklin policy or strategy on this or the part numbering convention. The H0 technique seems so rational in comparison!

Thanks for your help with this. I have also bought some other sizes that fit with some other G1 locos that I have (not that I have many of them), so I will have a small stock of various tyres.

Best wishes,

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