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Offline Greenwich66  
#1 Posted : 11 May 2021 03:01:19(UTC)
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What. Is the difference between items stamped marklin, marklin with two dots above the letter a, and maerklin?
Thank you.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#2 Posted : 11 May 2021 03:21:41(UTC)
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Märklin and Maerklin are equivalent.

Marklin is something else. (Not Märklin)

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Offline Greenwich66  
#3 Posted : 11 May 2021 04:10:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
Märklin and Maerklin are equivalent.

Marklin is something else. (Not Märklin)



Thank you for the quick reply. Have seen some items ink stamped “marklin Germany”. Does this mean it is not an authentic marklin item? Or could it mean it was manufactured for export, perhaps to the United States or England?
Offline DaleSchultz  
#4 Posted : 11 May 2021 04:35:07(UTC)
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I would imagine the umlaut rubbed off, or did not print, or were not printed by people who knew German.

If someone was trying to make fake Märklin products, I suspect they would print the umlaut too.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 11 May 2021 06:53:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
Marklin is something else. (Not Märklin)


'Marklin' is a bastardised version of Märklin often used in English speaking countries, where folks either don't know or don't care about the use of the umlaut (the two dots above the 'a').

As I understand it, where you see 'ä' used the pronunciation is 'ae' so Märklin becomes Maerklin. If you run around Germany asking about 'Marklin' you would most likely get a blank stare of incomprehension as to what you're talking about.

As far as stamping or an imprint goes, I've never seen anything used other than 'Märklin'.
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 11 May 2021 08:30:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
If you run around Germany asking about 'Marklin' you would most likely get a blank stare of incomprehension as to what you're talking about.
It would help to pronounce the "a" as in "bare". Better ask for "Märklin trains" instead of saying just "Märklin".

Regards
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Offline PeFu  
#7 Posted : 11 May 2021 08:34:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
Marklin is something else. (Not Märklin)


'Marklin' is a bastardised version of Märklin often used in English speaking countries, where folks either don't know or don't care about the use of the umlaut (the two dots above the 'a').

As I understand it, where you see 'ä' used the pronunciation is 'ae' so Märklin becomes Maerklin. If you run around Germany asking about 'Marklin' you would most likely get a blank stare of incomprehension as to what you're talking about.


Not really. Wherever we have Å, Ä or Ö in Europe, in the Internet world these are most often simply changed to A, A and O. Thats’s why e.g. MÄRKLIN.DE goes MARKLIN.DE. We would never change to AE, AA or OE if being stucked with a poor PC keyboard. This is however being done in the IATA flight ticketing system (North American based) which often causes challenges in controls trying to sync your ticket name with passport name. The beautiful name Ms. Övergård becomes Ms. Oevergaard etc. which only contributes for phonetic purposes, and maybe makes her look a bit Danish, which however could be a good thing. Mr. Böing had to change to Boeing beacause he lived in a country without access to proper typewriting machines, and still you pronouse his name ”Booing”. The real bastard here is ”Maerklin”. So please stop adding letters to our words and names...

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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 11 May 2021 08:52:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
Not really. Wherever we have Å, Ä or Ö in Europe, in the Internet world these are most often simply changed to A, A and O. Thats’s why e.g. MÄRKLIN.DE goes MARKLIN.DE.
The official website is "maerklin.de" and "marklin.de" wasn't working in the past for several months in a row because no German would try this address.
"ä" originally was written with a small "e" above the "a" which evolved to the two dots we have nowadays. On old computer keyboards Germans with change "ä" to "ae".
Plane tickets are a different story - they sometimes simply drop the dots from the name.
My passport shows "ö" on the front side and "oe" in the machine-readable section.
So for German it is usually better to insert an "e" when omitting the umlaut.

Märklin Germany registered maerklin.com.
Märklin USA registered marklin.com.
Germans usually care about the extra "e". That's why Böing became Boeing.
Regards
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Offline xxup  
#9 Posted : 11 May 2021 14:07:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
..It would help to pronounce the "a" as in "bare". Better ask for "Märklin trains" instead of saying just "Märklin".



Would that be an English or American "bare"?
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Offline Marklineisenbahn  
#10 Posted : 11 May 2021 14:49:26(UTC)
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Why don’t you just say TRIX ;-) is easy and usually cheaper... Flapper
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Offline Unholz  
#11 Posted : 11 May 2021 17:04:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: xxup Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
..It would help to pronounce the "a" as in "bare". Better ask for "Märklin trains" instead of saying just "Märklin".

Would that be an English or American "bare"?


You can alternatively use "bear" or "hair" or "hare" etc. BigGrin

Offline PMPeter  
#12 Posted : 11 May 2021 17:10:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post
So please stop adding letters to our words and names...


I assume you are referring to Sweden. In Germany it is correct to add the letter.

Offline H0  
#13 Posted : 11 May 2021 17:11:55(UTC)
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Why don’t you just say TRIX ;-) is easy and usually cheaper... Flapper
If you manage to pronounce it like Germans would. Wink
However the brand recognition of Trix is much lower than that of Märklin.
Maybe try "Modelleisenbahnfachgeschäft" instead. Flapper

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Offline hxmiesa  
#14 Posted : 11 May 2021 17:59:40(UTC)
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The oficial transcription of Æ, Ø and Å is (and has always been) AE, OE and AA.
My passport also has an "oe" instead of an "ø" (The other instance of "oe" in my last name IS actually "oe" originally, and not another "ø". -Just to make things even more confusing. lol Laugh )
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Online kiwiAlan  
#15 Posted : 11 May 2021 18:22:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marklineisenbahn Go to Quoted Post
Why don’t you just say TRIX ;-) is easy and usually cheaper... Flapper


Not cheaper when buying new ... Crying Crying Crying

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Offline mike c  
#16 Posted : 19 June 2021 07:56:39(UTC)
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Interestingly, Ricardo.ch accepts Marklin and not Märklin. Letters with umlaut are ignored and treated as if the umlaut was not there.
If you search Maerklin, you will not see all available results.

As far as pronunciation, I would think that mare as in a horse would be the way to go, so Mare-klin would be a good way of pronouncing it.
Pronouncing it as Mare (Italian) would not be bene.

If you are really in a jam, you can always explain that you are looking for Dreileiterwechselstrom Modellbahnen which should get you in the right direction.

Our French speaking friends can ask for Mother Klin (Mère Klin) which would be about the same.

Anything else would be like Inspector Clouseau asking "Does your dog bite?"

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Offline Mman  
#17 Posted : 20 June 2021 00:21:07(UTC)
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The Göppingen locals seem to pronounce it ‘ Mare clean’.
As long as you have a virtual keyboard on a touch screen you can have whatever accents etc that you want.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#18 Posted : 20 June 2021 00:39:39(UTC)
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to get the ä on a regular mechanical keyboard, use Alt-132
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#19 Posted : 20 June 2021 11:23:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mman Go to Quoted Post
The Göppingen locals seem to pronounce it ‘ Mare clean’.
As long as you have a virtual keyboard on a touch screen you can have whatever accents etc that you want.


I can confirm that.
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Offline Ranjit  
#20 Posted : 25 June 2021 13:03:00(UTC)
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Damn ! I am confused too !

You can't be more crystal clear about the spelling and pronunciation than what Tom has said. Let us not screw it up more than it is necessary.

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Offline Mman  
#21 Posted : 25 June 2021 14:02:15(UTC)
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Mandarin is only one of hundreds of Chinese language spoken within that country, luckily for them the picture writing conveys the same meaning regardless of the spoken sounds. My eldest son tells me that if you can read the Chinese characters (which he can) you can also understand the Japanese writing for example.
Regarding the English speaking world, different countries have there own way of pronouncing words and place names, the Americans, South Africans and New Zealanders particularly. I can still understand what they are saying though.
I suspect that some German speaking countries have pedants, just like every other country, who will pretend to not understand unless the way a word is said matches their preferred way.
I have difficulty with Irish names despite being half Irish myself and I’m sure that my mangling of the pronunciation is baffling to the 100% Irish.
In Meccano circles debate occurs from time to time over how Meccano is pronounced, fortunately Frank Hornby himself left the answer in the Meccano Publications of the day : Meck ah no. Unusually for a Northener he specifies the long ‘a’ common in the South rather than the short version preferred in the North.
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Offline Joop V  
#22 Posted : 25 June 2021 16:18:11(UTC)
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After this language debateConfused I went to youtube and compared some of the Märklin video's in both languages
I think the way it is pronounced in both video's that that is the way they'd LIKE to hear it.
see and LISTEN for your self
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBcD1_VSsIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKoWR0YetH4


I rest my case
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Offline marklinist5999  
#23 Posted : 25 June 2021 18:13:24(UTC)
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"MAERKLIN"
Offline David Dewar  
#24 Posted : 25 June 2021 20:19:03(UTC)
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Don’t think Marklin would be bothered how we spell the name as long as we like and buy the product. Some the emails I get from Germany can have different spelling but I am happy they take the time to answer any mail I send to them which is in English. Main thing for me is we understand what we are saying.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline hxmiesa  
#25 Posted : 25 June 2021 21:11:49(UTC)
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Do any of you guys remember the series of commercials brought out by Porsche¿? -It was all about how to pronounce the brand correctly. I seem to remember that it was even orientated towards german viewers, but I might be mistaken...

BTW, I dont think this thread was ever about Märklin being worried about how their name was pronounced around the world (as per OP). How did the discussion get to that???
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#26 Posted : 02 July 2021 03:18:55(UTC)
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Spelling and pronunciation are closely aligned, especially in German.
Marklin and Märklin are different words in German. Conflating them is pure ignorance.
Assuming that Germans don't care about this is arrogant.
Having facts explained to you after your display of ignorance does not make the other person arrogant. Arguing against facts and trying to turn the argument around just makes one a prick.

German pronunciation for English speakers is actually NOT difficult at all. It is in fact more consistent than English.
You can get it in juts a few minutes: https://cabin-layout.mix...n-pronunciation-for.html

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Offline David Dewar  
#27 Posted : 02 July 2021 13:58:36(UTC)
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I have people from other countries who can not pronounce my name or various other words but I am just happy they make the effort. I am sure there will be times when I make a mistake spelling English words. I do try to get things correct but I am sure a seller will just be happy to get the business and well over look my poor efforts at French or German. On this site I just spell… Marklin .. and I would hope that nobody feels this is not appropriate.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#28 Posted : 03 July 2021 08:40:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
to get the ä on a regular mechanical keyboard, use Alt-132


Also Alt + 0228
Offline river6109  
#29 Posted : 23 July 2021 10:36:21(UTC)
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ä = alt 132, Ä = alt 910, ö = alt 148, Ö = alt 921, ü = alt 129, Ü = alt 410,
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Offline SvenM  
#30 Posted : 23 July 2021 23:53:07(UTC)
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Here is a very simple method: just hold the key down that you want to modify and a list of options will pop up for that letter
Offline cookee_nz  
#31 Posted : 24 July 2021 06:08:59(UTC)
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Here is a very simple method: just hold the key down that you want to modify and a list of options will pop up for that letter


That's a useful tip Sven, but only works on touchscreen devices, phones tablets etc, not for PC/Laptop users with a 'proper' keyboard.

Holding any key down on a keyboard will just repeat endlessly.

I use the Alt method myself, but on some laptops with no separate numeric keypad, it can be a challenge to activate the virtual keypad (usually overlaid on the right area of the keyboard)

There are more than one set of codes that will do the same character, using them often helps remember.

For the German ones I use Alt plus...

129 = ü
132 = ä
142 = Ä
148 = ö
153 = Ö
154 = Ü
225 = ß

I used to have them pasted along the edge of my screen but used so often I simply remember :-)
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Offline DamonKelly  
#32 Posted : 24 July 2021 10:50:29(UTC)
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For those interested, Bigdaddynz's key-stroke (Alt+0228, for Windows) uses the Unicode encoding -- the "0" in front of the code signifies that.
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#33 Posted : 24 July 2021 12:58:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DamonKelly Go to Quoted Post
For those interested, Bigdaddynz's key-stroke (Alt+0228, for Windows) uses the Unicode encoding -- the "0" in front of the code signifies that.


It also has to be the numeric keyboard that you use to enter the numbers. It doesn't work for the number keys above the letter keys.

I can never get the other key combinations to work, so always use the alt-numeric keys to get the accented letters.
Offline bph  
#34 Posted : 24 July 2021 14:56:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SvenM Go to Quoted Post
Here is a very simple method: just hold the key down that you want to modify and a list of options will pop up for that letter


That's a useful tip Sven, but only works on touchscreen devices, phones tablets etc, not for PC/Laptop users with a 'proper' keyboard.

Holding any key down on a keyboard will just repeat endlessly.

I use the Alt method myself, but on some laptops with no separate numeric keypad, it can be a challenge to activate the virtual keypad (usually overlaid on the right area of the keyboard)

There are more than one set of codes that will do the same character, using them often helps remember.

For the German ones I use Alt plus...

129 = ü
132 = ä
142 = Ä
148 = ö
153 = Ö
154 = Ü
225 = ß

I used to have them pasted along the edge of my screen but used so often I simply remember :-)



Some keyboard layouts have "dead keys". e.g. on my Norwegian keyboard, I have the "¨" as a dead key meaning when I press the "¨" +u I get ü automatically. (in windows).
The US-International Keyboard has dead keys.

You can also take the “advanced” route and create your own custom keyboard layout. E.g. I have made a combination, so when I press "alt gr" +s I get the ß. With Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator it's quite simple to do it.

In Norwegian and Danish Märklin is often written Mærklin out of convenience, and the pronunciation is quite similar to the original German pronunciation. The Norwegian/Danish æ is just another way of writing a combined ae. Æ/æ was also used in old English and is still used in some special cases like Encyclopædia Britannica
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