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Offline foumaro  
#1 Posted : 01 January 2021 05:51:42(UTC)
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I bought my first SBB Aee 6/6 locomotives,i want to have passenger trains running with them,any suggestions from the forum?
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 01 January 2021 08:46:19(UTC)
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The Ae 6/6 was a heavy electric loco intended for use on the Gotthard Pass route so I would think any Swiss passenger and freight cars from the mid 1950's on would be fine.
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Offline foumaro  
#3 Posted : 01 January 2021 09:47:29(UTC)
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Looking at the new items catalogs i found the 43389 set for 37437 locomotive and 43670 set for 37361 locomotive.Another option is 43402,43411,43392,43372,43362,43382 all together for 37437 locomotive.I have limited choises i think.RollEyes
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#4 Posted : 01 January 2021 10:38:52(UTC)
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What era are you looking for?

What about the SBB double decker coaches that are 2020 new items (43574 / 43575)?

There are also 43651 era VI 4 car set.
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Offline foumaro  
#5 Posted : 01 January 2021 10:46:09(UTC)
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I allready ordered 43372,43362,43382,43392 and 43402 for the green 37437 and i will search later for the red one.I will try to find a train with five or seven coaches,fits better to my dislpay cases.Thank you very much for your help.
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Online Unholz  
#6 Posted : 01 January 2021 13:57:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post

What about the SBB double decker coaches that are 2020 new items (43574 / 43575)?

Mmmmh... - not truly typical. Wink The use of Ae 6/6 with commuter train double deckers was only a short interlude around 1992 when more useful motive power was not available. And only those cars with yellow entrance doors would be suitable (didn't Märklin announce sets with red doors?).

Otherwise one can indeed take just about any Swiss passenger or freight car since the mid-1950's.

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Online mike c  
#7 Posted : 01 January 2021 16:46:18(UTC)
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Foumaro,

The Lightsteel coaches are suitable for the 37437. Another option would be a combination of FS (Trix 23414) and DB UIC-X coaches, which would be typical for an international express on the Gotthard line. You could even add the 43874 SBB WRm Restaurant coach to that consist.

As far as the 37361, that model is in the later red livery. By that time, the Ae 6/6 was no longer the dominant locomotive on the Gotthard line and most international expresses were pulled by newer Re 6/6 or even by the newly arrived Re 460. The Ae 6/6 were not capable of automated operation with other classes (Re 4/4II/III, Re 6/6) and required a driver onboard, so they were more often assigned to less heavy freight trains throughout the network.

Prior to the division of the fleet into Freight and Passenger divisions in 1999, Ae 6/6 could also be found in passenger traffic (by availability), so an Ae 6/6 could be found in almost any use, other than in push-pull operation as the Ae 6/6 was not capable of operation with any pilot coaches in the SBB fleet.

Here are some photos you can use for inspiration:
https://www.bahnbilder.d...ks~ae-66-sbb-ae-610.html
https://bahnbilder-von-m...eyword-files/ae-6_6.html
http://www.railfaneurope...ric/Ae6_6/green/pix.html
http://www.railfaneurope...toric/Ae6_6/red/pix.html

One of my favorite typical Swiss trains (freight) was the 46331 Weiacher Kies train, which I remember as a kid being pulled by a Crocodile and later by Ae 6/6.
Another interesting Swiss theme might be a PTT Postal Train.

Regards

Mike
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Offline mario54i  
#8 Posted : 01 January 2021 17:19:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post

Mmmmh... - not truly typical



I would say that also the Re420 LION + S-bahn bilevel coaches + bilevel pilot coach consist has never existed outside Märklin catalog.
Not to mention that the S-bahn pilot coach is a DB coach in SBB colours.

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Offline foumaro  
#9 Posted : 01 January 2021 22:39:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Foumaro,

The Lightsteel coaches are suitable for the 37437. Another option would be a combination of FS (Trix 23414) and DB UIC-X coaches, which would be typical for an international express on the Gotthard line. You could even add the 43874 SBB WRm Restaurant coach to that consist.

As far as the 37361, that model is in the later red livery. By that time, the Ae 6/6 was no longer the dominant locomotive on the Gotthard line and most international expresses were pulled by newer Re 6/6 or even by the newly arrived Re 460. The Ae 6/6 were not capable of automated operation with other classes (Re 4/4II/III, Re 6/6) and required a driver onboard, so they were more often assigned to less heavy freight trains throughout the network.

Prior to the division of the fleet into Freight and Passenger divisions in 1999, Ae 6/6 could also be found in passenger traffic (by availability), so an Ae 6/6 could be found in almost any use, other than in push-pull operation as the Ae 6/6 was not capable of operation with any pilot coaches in the SBB fleet.

Here are some photos you can use for inspiration:
https://www.bahnbilder.d...ks~ae-66-sbb-ae-610.html
https://bahnbilder-von-m...eyword-files/ae-6_6.html
http://www.railfaneurope...ric/Ae6_6/green/pix.html
http://www.railfaneurope...toric/Ae6_6/red/pix.html

One of my favorite typical Swiss trains (freight) was the 46331 Weiacher Kies train, which I remember as a kid being pulled by a Crocodile and later by Ae 6/6.
Another interesting Swiss theme might be a PTT Postal Train.

Regards
An international train with 23414,43874 and 23400,23401,23402,23403,23404 or similar marklin 43910,20,30,40,50 is a perfect idea.
LOL ThumpUp

Offline foumaro  
#10 Posted : 01 January 2021 22:42:06(UTC)
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An international train with 23414,23400,23401,23402,23403,23404,43874 or similar marklin 43910,43920,43930,43940,43950 is a perfect idea.I will watching on ebay.LOL ThumpUp
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Online mike c  
#11 Posted : 02 January 2021 03:21:25(UTC)
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I made up that kind of consist with 23414 (3 FS coaches), 43874 (SBB WRm), a DB Aüm203 and a pair of Büm234 from a Start Set (29043) and finished it off with Fleischmann 5607 (DSG Sleeper).

It looks amazing behind any of my Maerklin Ae 6/6s. The FS coaches don't yet have the UIC numbers, but a mix was possible around 1965 as railroads were applying the new numbers as the coaches were in maintenance (revision).

If you need other consist ideas, check out my Interesting Consists Thread: https://www.marklin-user...ing-Consists-in-HO-Scale

Regards

Mike C
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Offline foumaro  
#12 Posted : 02 January 2021 05:23:26(UTC)
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Thank you very much for your time,i will keep in mind all your advice,i wish a huppy new year,regards,Panayotis.
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Offline foumaro  
#13 Posted : 02 January 2021 23:07:08(UTC)
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Can i use the cars of the 43915 era IV marklin set?
Online mike c  
#14 Posted : 03 January 2021 01:50:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Can i use the cars of the 43915 era IV marklin set?


Panayotis,

I think that this would be relatively suitable. I am not sure if DSG handled any restaurant services in Switzerland other than selected TEE trains.
There may also have been the train via Basel to Spain (D-Zug Hispania), but I would have to research that.

This would seem to support the possibility: https://bahnbilder-von-m...asel//picture_02407.html

A red WRümh132 was also used on occasion instead of a TEE livery restaurant on the Roland and probably even the Rheingold.
I know that I have seen red DSG sleepers, but I don't know how common it would have been to have a DSG/DB Restaurant on a regular D-Zug rather than a SSG/SBB one. One advantage might be that the SBB had a limited number of restaurant cars that could be used in Italy and Holland (to name a few).

Regards

Mike C
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Offline foumaro  
#15 Posted : 03 January 2021 04:36:04(UTC)
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I want to use only the coaches,not the rertaurant car if i manage to have it.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#16 Posted : 03 January 2021 07:55:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post

What about the SBB double decker coaches that are 2020 new items (43574 / 43575)?

Mmmmh... - not truly typical. Wink The use of Ae 6/6 with commuter train double deckers was only a short interlude around 1992 when more useful motive power was not available. And only those cars with yellow entrance doors would be suitable (didn't Märklin announce sets with red doors?).


Yes, 43574 / 43575 have red doors. There has previously been the 28505 set, which had a red Ae 6/6 with 3 blue doppelstock coaches with yellow doors.

s-l1600.jpg

(P.S. not my photo)
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Offline foumaro  
#17 Posted : 09 January 2021 10:39:46(UTC)
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Marklin 43250 sleeping car and marklin 43874 restaurant car on the way to my layout.LOL ThumpUp

Finally the deal for the 43362,43372,43382,43392 and 43402 broke,the 43392 and 43402 was not available,so i left them all.I will try to find another option.
I saw in a photo the Riviera Express running with NS1200.I bought the trix 22127 so this is another perfect option for me.
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Offline foumaro  
#18 Posted : 13 January 2021 14:18:46(UTC)
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Trix 23414 with 3 FS passenger cars on the way to my layout.LOL ThumpUp
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#19 Posted : 13 January 2021 21:02:04(UTC)
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Of course, we expect pictures Panayotis. Pictures are mandatory with any deal.....
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Offline foumaro  
#20 Posted : 14 January 2021 05:14:28(UTC)
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I am waiting another lot i won with marklin 43910,43920,43930,43940,43950 and trix 23400.I thing that the train consist will be,
1.I can choose from locomotives,marklin 39103,marklin 37437,marklin 3039 and trix 22127
2.Cars,42930,43920,43910,23400,43250,43874,23414,23414 and 23414.
I will set them temporarily in my dislpay case and i will post pictures for sure.Thanks to mike c i have a perfect train.ThumpUp
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