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Offline morsing  
#1 Posted : 26 August 2020 11:53:21(UTC)
morsing

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Hi,

How many here go he whole way with signals? It's such a lot of money...

Please use the voting buttons.

Regards,
Henrik

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Offline petestra  
#2 Posted : 26 August 2020 15:26:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

How many here go he whole way wih signals? It's such a lot of money...

Please use the voting buttons.

Regards,
Henrik


Hi Henrik. I've always had a lot of signals, just love them! Anyway, I only went digital in 2014 and have operated Maerklin since the mid 60s. I have many

different generations of them on my layout including many digital ones now. I run a mostly automatic system now, some still controlled analog and then

I have 9 events programed on the CS3 for the digital ones. I have installed power off/on switches for main line blocks so that trains will pass a red light from the

opposite direction of travel.

I will not, however, purchase the braking modules. They are much too costly.

Cheers, Peter. Cool
Offline DaleSchultz  
#3 Posted : 26 August 2020 16:59:01(UTC)
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They add a lot of life and realism to the layout.
I also found it interesting learning about how they work as it provides a good understanding of how trains are run.

I reduced the price buy buying the Viessmann kits and assembling them myself. See:
https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com/2014/08/Viessmann-5210.html

The Viessmann signals are also better priced than the ones from Märklin.

Once signals are setup properly, one can also use them as a source of information when you are running the layout. I can tell by the signals aspects where some trains are going on the layout, or that a train is coming etc.

Here is how I go about installing them:
https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com/2016/01/Installing-signals.html
Dale
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Offline PeFu  
#4 Posted : 26 August 2020 17:09:10(UTC)
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Those of us having a computer for automated train control, probably most often use signals for the visual effect only. I.e. they don’t control anything, but are controlled by the computer. We don’t use signals e.g. in hidden areas, so my response in this poll will only be ”Some signals”.

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Offline hxmiesa  
#5 Posted : 26 August 2020 20:36:19(UTC)
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I chose "Some signals".

I run analogue, so much of the braking-modules and decoders that you guys use, does not apply anyway.
(I do use braking, but it is a homemade series of analog power-feed)

All my visible stops has a signal. Some "vor-signalen" are also installed around the layout. Especially on the main line.
The main line has some stop-sections hidden in tunnels (no signals), so I use their vor-signal (posted on a visible part on the main-line) to inform me of the blocks state.

I have skimped a bit on "gleis-spehr" signals, but there are still quite a lot, so it looks almost real.
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#6 Posted : 26 August 2020 21:10:19(UTC)
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since I also have the ability to drive a train using a 'cab control' that shows the current signal's aspect, I have what I call virtual signals in hidden areas. They cost nothing but show up in the cab view. It enables the driver to know if they need to stop.

Cab control via phone: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com/2019/03/mobile-phone-layout-control-app.html

Cab control via a browser: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com/2014/08/browser-based-layout-control.html
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Offline petestra  
#7 Posted : 26 August 2020 21:43:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
since I also have the ability to drive a train using a 'cab control' that shows the current signal's aspect, I have what I call virtual signals in hidden areas. They cost nothing but show up in the cab view. It enables the driver to know if they need to stop.

Cab control via phone: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com/2019/03/mobile-phone-layout-control-app.html

Cab control via a browser: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com/2014/08/browser-based-layout-control.html


Hi Dale. I believe this is how the high speed lines operate with no signals. Peter. Cool
Offline DaleSchultz  
#8 Posted : 27 August 2020 04:31:25(UTC)
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yes, signals are now being done away with completely. It is not possible to see them at high speed and kind of pointless at that speed anyway.

The step beyond that is to get rid of the driver completely. Makes no sense for the loco to tell the driver what speed is appropriate and then have the driver set that speed on the loco. Cut out the human source of error and just set the speed.
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Offline river6109  
#9 Posted : 27 August 2020 07:48:47(UTC)
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Its difficult with my layout as I run several different railway companies on my layout, I've started off with German signals and stayed with them, but they do differ from Austrian or Swiss signals and the same goes with the overhead system., having signals on my layout suits it as the length of tracks are long but at the same time they will be pre programmed with my automated train schedules

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Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 27 August 2020 09:19:28(UTC)
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I use for this moment two of the Märklin digital light signals.
I decides to use Viessmanns analog semaphore but it seems they have reduced semaphore models in the list of cataloge.
If nothing happens from Viessmann i have to buy few more digital signals made of Märklin.
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Offline morsing  
#11 Posted : 27 August 2020 09:54:48(UTC)
morsing

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Thanks for all the input.

I think I feel guilty, as always, on spending money on what is essentially a toy. The price of signals however, was dwarfed by the driveway quote we got yesterday... Puts things in perspective.

So, signals it is, I can definitely see the appeal. And I love the self-assembly Viessmann signals, didn't know they did that.

But, my layout is Danish, and one of my issues is that there doesn't appear to be any quality Danish signals. The built ones look like my niece made them and the self-assembly ones are usually a bit of badly cut plastic with two lose LEDs.

The German signalling seems to lack something compared to Danish signalling, but maybe I just don't understand German signalling.

I might just go for Viessmann signals and Marklin modules.

Thanks

P.S. GOODNESS! Started looking at this again and it all came back to me. It's all very well I can get a set of main/distant signals for £20, but the Viessmann controller is £70 for one (set) of signals! It will be about £1500 for my relatively small layout. Madness!
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Offline PeFu  
#12 Posted : 27 August 2020 11:08:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for all the input.
But, my layout is Danish, and one of my issues is that there doesn't appear to be any quality Danish signals. The built ones look like my niece made them and the self-assembly ones are usually a bit of badly cut plastic with two lose LEDs.


Have you tried out signals from the Swedish supplier ”Möllehem”? They have a good reputation:

http://www.mollehem.se/index.php/en/signals

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Offline morsing  
#13 Posted : 27 August 2020 11:18:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post


Have you tried out signals from the Swedish supplier ”Möllehem”? They have a good reputation:

http://www.mollehem.se/index.php/en/signals



Cool, they do look a lot better, although missing distant signals and branched signals.

Another problem would be controlling them. Danish signals have more complicated aspect combinations, don't know how you would do that.

I really need a good think about all this.
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Offline river6109  
#14 Posted : 28 August 2020 04:16:04(UTC)
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It is always difficult to make decisions when it comes to spending money on items which are extremely expensive, there is 1 solution which I've opted for, don't buy ready made controllers such as braking modules or other electronic gadgets, originally I've bought a braking module identical to the Märklin braking module, copied it with all its electronic components, I also have a friend in Berlin which offered to design a signal module with delayed light change and the third part I've designed my own opto couplers (replacing the switching tracks) and they fit between sleepers (K-track) and the signals come from Viesssmann., with the size of my layout I would estimate the savings of thousands of dollars.

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Offline PeFu  
#15 Posted : 29 August 2020 04:58:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post


Have you tried out signals from the Swedish supplier ”Möllehem”? They have a good reputation:

http://www.mollehem.se/index.php/en/signals



Cool, they do look a lot better, although missing distant signals and branched signals.

Another problem would be controlling them. Danish signals have more complicated aspect combinations, don't know how you would do that.

I really need a good think about all this.


Möllehem have a Danish signal decoder too. You will need something that speaks LocoNet though. (Note that I have no relation with this company):

http://www.mollehem.se/i...ignaldecoder-dk10-detail
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Offline Goofy  
#16 Posted : 29 August 2020 09:27:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post


Have you tried out signals from the Swedish supplier ”Möllehem”? They have a good reputation:

http://www.mollehem.se/index.php/en/signals



Cool, they do look a lot better, although missing distant signals and branched signals.

Another problem would be controlling them. Danish signals have more complicated aspect combinations, don't know how you would do that.

I really need a good think about all this.


There is a hobby store name togcenter.dk that also produce danish signals and decoder too!

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Offline morsing  
#17 Posted : 29 August 2020 17:03:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post


There is a hobby store name togcenter.dk that also produce danish signals and decoder too!




Thanks, I did look at those before but honestly, the desciption says highest quality, but when you look at the enlarged photo it doesn't look like a Marklin or Viessmann signal, it just looks home-made.

Also, the controller says it can map Marklin aspects to the similar Danish signal aspects, which is a good start, but I'm pretty sure Danish signals can convey more messages that a German one. They normally have multiple combinations of steady, blinking and coloured lights.

But it's a good start though, still thinking about it.

Henrik
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