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Offline laalves  
#1 Posted : 29 March 2006 06:02:00(UTC)
laalves


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I have recently been asked to convert back to AC and to digital, a 3021 converted to DC via a HAMO magnet. It's a LFCM.

I changed the connections, installed a Lokpilot v2.0, tested it OK, and it all went fine. A couple of weeks later it was back to the base with hickups at high speed, i.e., more than half the speed bars in the Mobstat.

Checking the total current consumption of the decoder didn't yield more than 500mA at the time of the cuttofs. Slightly before the cuttofs begin, the ammeter reads about 360mA. I did this in the AC range of the meter. All this with a lamp on, and it's an old style big one. With the lamp off, the hickups still occur, more or less in the same speed range.

Now, can anybody report a successful conversion of a HAMO LFCM with a Lokpilot? Or is it just too much current draw for this decoder?

Shared experiences much appreciated....

Luis
Offline McLae  
#2 Posted : 29 March 2006 07:35:46(UTC)
McLae


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As part of my digital conversions, I update the motor with a HAMO magnet and DC motor parts.
Decoders are Lokpilots and Loksounds.
No problems so far with any Lok.biggrin

You did use a DCC socket for the motor connections, yes?[}:)]
The McLae
IB digital, DB, OBB, SBB epII-V
Providing a home for little lost 'Gators
Offline Vardex  
#3 Posted : 29 March 2006 09:58:04(UTC)
Vardex

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Check the CV's 51-53. You will have to adapt them to the motor.
If this doesn't help then remove the condensators.
Bart
Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#4 Posted : 29 March 2006 21:36:01(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


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Another CV that could be of help is #56, default value is 64, try with 32.
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline Gustavo Villa  
#5 Posted : 29 March 2006 22:10:17(UTC)
Gustavo Villa

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I digitalized several hamo locomotives with lokpilots and Lenz gold decoders, no problems at all.

Really I have no idea what can be the problem.
Offline Vardex  
#6 Posted : 29 March 2006 22:32:05(UTC)
Vardex

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Maybe one coil of the rotor s broken?

Bart
Offline laalves  
#7 Posted : 30 March 2006 01:30:40(UTC)
laalves


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Hi all,

Thanks for all the suggestions! I'm gonna check all of them and will report back.

Thanks!

Luis
Offline laalves  
#8 Posted : 22 April 2006 04:35:03(UTC)
laalves


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Well then for an update: I had to do two of these conversions (one was the V200 alredy mentioned, the other a Electrotren DSB MZ) and both had irregular running characteristics.

I solved all problems with chokes in the engine connections and CV fiddling. I took the CV Hamo values recommended in Lopi v1's manual and applied those to the corresponding CVs in the Lopi v2. I started from those values, and after a bit of messing with them the loks were running fine.

Interestingly, I had done Lopi v2 + Hamo conversions before with no problems, just with factory settings.

Each lok is a lok......

Luis
Offline Lars Westerlind  
#9 Posted : 22 April 2006 11:01:29(UTC)
Lars Westerlind


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If it is regarding CVs 51-53 it's easy to understand. The speed regulation requires a feedback signal indicating the actual speed; this signal is heavily dependendent of the motor; the magnet field strength for instance. The response time of each installation must also be taken into account; the feedback circuit must be more patient with a larger motor before applying more force.

/Lars
Offline laalves  
#10 Posted : 22 April 2006 21:04:11(UTC)
laalves


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Lars Westerlind
<br />If it is regarding CVs 51-53 it's easy to understand. The speed regulation requires a feedback signal indicating the actual speed; this signal is heavily dependendent of the motor; the magnet field strength for instance. The response time of each installation must also be taken into account; the feedback circuit must be more patient with a larger motor before applying more force.

/Lars


Yes, in Lopi 1 the relevant CVs were 51 to 53. In Lopi 2 that has changed to CVs 53-55, with the same sequence.

Some experimenting with starting voltage, max speed, braking and accle delays was also useful to get a nice running Hamo Lopi2 Märklin.

Luis
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