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Offline grnwtrs  
#1 Posted : 25 February 2020 11:57:59(UTC)
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I recently had the good fortune to come in possession of these cars. The car numbers are 58087, 58096, and 58097
I was really lucky that a friend told me about them. I have similar cars in H O scale ( well almost 1/87 , I don't care) and run the E 103 (3054?) with them.

I would like to find a suitable 1 ga engine to use with these new (to me) cars. I think I have a BR 38 in 1 ga, the Christmas lok
and also a BR 078? . For some neither of these loks seem to me to be the right lok. Also what about a baggage car?
I don't see one in the same colors. Confused

I sure would appreciate any guidance from the forum.

Thanks in advance for reading,

Regards, gene Mellow
Offline TEEWolf  
#2 Posted : 25 February 2020 16:40:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: grnwtrs Go to Quoted Post
I recently had the good fortune to come in possession of these cars. The car numbers are 58087, 58096, and 58097
I was really lucky that a friend told me about them. I have similar cars in H O scale ( well almost 1/87 , I don't care) and run the E 103 (3054?) with them.

I would like to find a suitable 1 ga engine to use with these new (to me) cars. I think I have a BR 38 in 1 ga, the Christmas lok
and also a BR 078? . For some neither of these loks seem to me to be the right lok. Also what about a baggage car?
I don't see one in the same colors. Confused

I sure would appreciate any guidance from the forum.

Thanks in advance for reading,

Regards, gene Mellow




I am Confused too ! Huh

See Maerklin's website

https://www.maerklin.de/...te/details/article/58087

and others for the cars. There is an E 10.12 gauge 1 55010 recommended.

https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/55010/

As you wrote, the problem might be the availability.

I got an equal train in H0 Tin-Plate.

https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/30390/
https://www.maerklin.de/...s/details/article/40850/

I also have an E 10.1 37107 in kobaltblau. It has the colour kobaltblau for the cars too and this E 10.1 looks also very nice in front of my Tin-Plate train.

The major point, this E 10.1 55015is from Maerklin available in gauge 1.Smile

In my opinion you may use a 103.1 55105 perhaps too.

OK 103.1 is Era IV already, but available at Maerklin too and the colours beige/red were used for the Rheingold too. I got such a train 43857 in H0 from Maerklin as well.

But steamers in front of the Rheingold? I do not remember. The V 200 was pulling the Rheingold for a short time too, while a part of the routing was not yet electrified.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 25 February 2020 19:41:51(UTC)
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I don't think 55010 E10.12 is available any more and I don't know if there are many on ebay.

As TEEWolf suggests you could use a E10.1 - 55015, but there are also other models of the BR110 and E10.1 - 55011 and 55012

Definitely you can use the BR103 - 55105 and 55107 are the latest - Marklin shows 55105 to still be available. I saw one in the 2nd's tent at the Marklin Factory in Göppingen for 1799€ instead of the 2499€ I paid for mine.

I wouldn't mind getting a couple of these coaches to go with my BR103 and the TEE coaches I already have - such a combination is very prototypical.

A friend has the 55010 E10.12 with these Rheingold coaches, it looks very nice. I'll see if I can pull some pictures out of it when I get home later today.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 26 February 2020 06:00:42(UTC)
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Looks like a 216 Diesel pulled them at some stage

87177073_2772469249488929_1041379305554182144_o.jpg

Marklin 55716 (BR218) is a suitable loco.

In looking for a 55716 BR218 (none on ebay) I found that Bimmelbahn (where I got my 55011 E10) has a 55010 E10.13 available.

https://www.bimmelbahn24...d-becasse-patiniert-ovp/
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 26 February 2020 10:34:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TEEWolf Go to Quoted Post
OK 103.1 is Era IV already, but available at Maerklin too and the colours beige/red were used for the Rheingold too. I got such a train 43857 in H0 from Maerklin as well.
I assume all ’62 Rheingold coaches were painted cream/red when the 103.1 hit the rails.
The cream/blue Rheingold coaches with their era III lettering wouldn't look right behind an era IV locomotive IMHO, but every modeller is king in their own country.

Regards
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Offline grnwtrs  
#6 Posted : 26 February 2020 10:36:00(UTC)
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Teewolf & Bigdaddynz:

I miss-spoke in my original message. To many late nite posts!! I do not have the Rheingold cars in H O. I tried to buy that set (in tin plate many times, but never had the bucks) I was confused, still the Rheingold with the TEE colors and the E-101/3. Those cars, sets were/are I believe in tan over dark red. I can't think of the proper color right now. Thinking abut these cars, reminded me that I bought about 6 of those cars from Matschle, (Carsten Laag) in the early 1970's. I don't believe I ever put them on my layout. I don't believe they had ever been run. Since the 3054, I have acquired several of the E-103's?. I believe the latest was the 39150.

Thanks ever so much for setting me straight. Also thanks for giving me so many objections, as to what I can use as motive power. I would like to stick to Mother Marklin. I should really I will stick with
Marklin. .It wasn't that long that I had to stock pile parts, tires, shoes pantos, bulbs (what is a bulb, you ask) all according to my 1980 catalog.

I just remembered that I have a old BR 218-217 that is red (maroon) over cream (TEE colors?) that I had upgraded the decoder to MFX, a couple of years ago. Seemed like it took the better part of the year anyway. I have it on my dining table, quiete, but I can't find the paperwork. I had to look it up on my poor inventory records.

I think I an not leaning to the E 10.1 from marklin. I sure do like the E103 in I ga. or course I especially like the KROC. It still out of reach!

Thank you both for sharing some of your knowledge and wisdom with me. I have ever so much to consider and think about.

Best Regards, gene

PS: Thanks for the Piccies and the vendor reference. The picture is so recent. Amazing, and looks like a great consist. I can't follow the web site to well, but nice engines, really nice engines .
Do they respond to English inquiries?
Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 26 February 2020 10:36:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Looks like a 216 Diesel pulled them at some stage
Oh, I didn't know there were baggage cars for the ’62 Rheingold. Confused

But seriously: These are era IV coaches in ocean blue, not Rheingold coaches.
Regards
Tom
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 26 February 2020 10:38:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: grnwtrs Go to Quoted Post
I just remembered that I have a old BR 218-217 that is red (maroon) over cream (TEE colors?) [...]
With one BR 218 loco they tested the TEE colours also on commuter trains. In era IV that loco was not used for TEE trains, it just has the same colours.

Regards
Tom
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Offline TEEWolf  
#9 Posted : 26 February 2020 16:38:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: grnwtrs Go to Quoted Post
Teewolf & Bigdaddynz:

I miss-spoke in my original message. To many late nite posts!! I do not have the Rheingold cars in H O. I tried to buy that set (in tin plate many times, but never had the bucks) I was confused, still the Rheingold with the TEE colors and the E-101/3. Those cars, sets were/are I believe in tan over dark red. I can't think of the proper color right now. Thinking abut these cars, reminded me that I bought about 6 of those cars from Matschle, (Carsten Laag) in the early 1970's. I don't believe I ever put them on my layout. I don't believe they had ever been run. Since the 3054, I have acquired several of the E-103's?. I believe the latest was the 39150.

Thanks ever so much for setting me straight. Also thanks for giving me so many objections, as to what I can use as motive power. I would like to stick to Mother Marklin. I should really I will stick with
Marklin. .It wasn't that long that I had to stock pile parts, tires, shoes pantos, bulbs (what is a bulb, you ask) all according to my 1980 catalog.

I just remembered that I have a old BR 218-217 that is red (maroon) over cream (TEE colors?) that I had upgraded the decoder to MFX, a couple of years ago. Seemed like it took the better part of the year anyway. I have it on my dining table, quiete, but I can't find the paperwork. I had to look it up on my poor inventory records.

I think I an not leaning to the E 10.1 from marklin. I sure do like the E103 in I ga. or course I especially like the KROC. It still out of reach!

Thank you both for sharing some of your knowledge and wisdom with me. I have ever so much to consider and think about.

Best Regards, gene

PS: Thanks for the Piccies and the vendor reference. The picture is so recent. Amazing, and looks like a great consist. I can't follow the web site to well, but nice engines, really nice engines .
Do they respond to English inquiries?


I think neither Bigdaddynz (BD) nor myself misunderstood you. Your major question is, which loco is usable in front of a Rheingold train in gauge 1? For this we informed you.

Originally Posted by: grnwtrs Go to Quoted Post

I don't see one in the same colors


This was a good question from you and we tried to answer and solve it. BD even foud the absolute correct E 10 in the Rheingold colours beige/blue and gauge I for you - perfect! What else do you want? Ah, perhaps a FD paying for you?Laugh

When the Rheingold started, it had a beige/blue colour scheme, which were changed step by step in the 60ties to beige/red. Because I do not have gauge I, only gauge H0, I tried to demonstrate these colour schemes for you by my H0 trains. (sorry that was all why I wrote something about H0). I think colour schemes are not relating to the gauge, but to the time era. And important, the Rheingold car colour schemes were mixed for a period of time, till they have been all repainted.

And @H0 added the Rheingold did never have a baggage car. I also cannot remember having seen a Rheingold or even a TEE (which I used sometimes) with a baggage car.

We only answered your questions and showed you available alternatives, but the decision had to be done by yourself.Smile

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Do they respond to English inquiries?


Yes, mainly you will get responses in English for your inquiries. We discussed it here at marklin-users.net last year after the IMA days. While plenty of Australiens, Americans, Canadians, Englishmen participated at these IMA days. They took the chance to visit dealers too. So they could report that dealers are communicating in English quite well.




Offline Bigdaddynz  
#10 Posted : 27 February 2020 02:35:09(UTC)
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Yes, Bimmelbahn respond to questions in English.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#11 Posted : 27 February 2020 06:18:48(UTC)
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Photos of the G1 Rheingold coaches with BR10.13


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Who said you can't mix the TEE coaches with the blue/cream Rheingold coaches? They are all Rheingold coaches after all, and on this layout you can!

20190713_212402.jpg

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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 27 February 2020 08:56:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Who said you can't mix the TEE coaches with the blue/cream Rheingold coaches?
Nobody said that and I assume the red/blue Rheinpfeil set Märklin offered for H0 gauge is prototypical.
But for the cream/blue Rheingold coaches a loco with an E in the class designation is a better match than a loco without that E. And the E 10.12 locos in cream/blue were made for that train.
I normally wouldn't mix era IV TEE coaches with such a train, but when I'm short on rolling stock I sometimes mix different eras in a single train.

Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
They are all Rheingold coaches after all, and on this layout you can!
The Rheinpfeil dome cars were delivered in cream/red and they look different from the Rheingold dome cars. Many TEE coaches are newer types that never existed in the Rheingold livery.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 27 February 2020 11:17:31(UTC)
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The train owner has an E03 001 (55104) as well as a BR103 (55103). He has both sets of TEE coaches, one which went with the E03 (58048/58049 - listed as Era III / IV), the other which went with the BR103 (58038/58039 - listed as Era IV). So I guess he can mix and match however he likes.

I have the 1967 based 58048/58049 'Rheingold' coach sets which I run with my 55105 Era IV BR103. Marklin say these coaches are Era III / IV, so near enough for me!
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Offline PJMärklin  
#14 Posted : 27 February 2020 11:43:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Looks like a 216 Diesel pulled them at some stage
Oh, I didn't know there were baggage cars for the ’62 Rheingold. Confused

But seriously: These are era IV coaches in ocean blue, not Rheingold coaches.


From the never-wrong Dr.Google Wink :

"In 1962, a completely new purpose built set of luxury coaches was manufactured for the Rheingold. These were blue/beige 26.4 meter coaches, open plan, compartment, humpback restaurant and dome car with bar, all of them 1st class only. These coaches became the standard for future DB, UIC and Eurofima coaches. The level of luxury was above that of the TEEs of the time, so that the TEE service was improved to mach that level and starting in 1965, the Rheingold (and its sister train, the Rheinpfeil) both were converted to TEEs and the coaches were repainted red/beige, like all other TEEs.

The intended locomotive for the 1962 Rheingold was the purpose built streamlined E10.12 with a higher top speed of 160 km/h. There were delays with the first engines, so a handful of regular box-shaped E10s were modified with the high speed bogies and painted in Rheingold colors to take care of the train until the regular E10.12 came online. V200 diesels pulled the train north of Cologne and later north of Duisburg to the Dutch border until those segments were also electrified. The E10.12 were redesignated 112 in 1969. From 1970 onwards the DB class 103 took over the Rheingold. Shortly thereafter, the dome cars disappeared as they were not certified for the 200 km/h top speed the 103 could do on certain segments and the unreliable humpback restaurant cars were replaced with regular new 27.5 meter restaurant cars familiar from TEE and InterCity service... "
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#15 Posted : 28 February 2020 12:02:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
With one BR 218 loco they tested the TEE colours also on commuter trains. In era IV that loco was not used for TEE trains, it just has the same colours.


This photo was taken in 2010, so not in era IV, but the TEE liveried BR218 pulled the TEE coaches at some stage.

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At the end of the day it is your layout and trains, you can pull it with whatever you want. All the solutions suggested will cost you thousands of euros, so if a class 38 or a TEE coloured BR218 is all you have go for it. Don't let the rivet counters and pedantics tell you you can't do something or have to do it some way....

Maybe you could get a V60 and practice shunting with the wagons....

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Offline H0  
#16 Posted : 28 February 2020 12:13:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
This photo was taken in 2010, so not in era IV, but the TEE liveried BR218 pulled the TEE coaches at some stage.
That particular loco 218 105 was painted red/cream in 2010. Museum train or special excursion, but no regular TEE service.
218 217 had the TEE colours in era IV, but lost them in 2002.

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Offline mike c  
#17 Posted : 28 February 2020 15:52:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Looks like a 216 Diesel pulled them at some stage

87177073_2772469249488929_1041379305554182144_o.jpg

Marklin 55716 (BR218) is a suitable loco.

In looking for a 55716 BR218 (none on ebay) I found that Bimmelbahn (where I got my 55011 E10) has a 55010 E10.13 available.

https://www.bimmelbahn24...d-becasse-patiniert-ovp/


Those look like normal UIC-X coaches and not Rheingold/Rheinpfeil type coaches (Avumh/Apumh/WRumh, ARDumh)

Regards

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Offline mike c  
#18 Posted : 28 February 2020 16:01:52(UTC)
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As far as the Rheingold 62 and Rheinpfeil 63 coaches, the baggage was stored in the area underneath the dome of the panorama car.
Here is some info on the actual consist:

(1962): http://www.heinrich-hank...ildung/e3b_rheingold.htm

1965: http://www.heinrich-hank...dung/1965_tee_00009s.htm

After 1970: http://www.heinrich-hank...ng/e4_rheingold.htm#1970

1962:
NS 1100 Amsterdam - Emmerich
V 200 Emmerich - Duisburg
E 10.1239-1244 Duisburg - Basel Juni 1962 - Januar 1963
E 10.1265-1270 Duisburg - Basel ab September 1962

1970:
NS 1100
DB 103, 112
SBB Re 4/4 I (10027-10050)
after 1972: Re 4/4I (TEE Lackierung)
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Offline TEEWolf  
#19 Posted : 28 February 2020 19:34:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
With one BR 218 loco they tested the TEE colours also on commuter trains. In era IV that loco was not used for TEE trains, it just has the same colours.


This photo was taken in 2010, so not in era IV, but the TEE liveried BR218 pulled the TEE coaches at some stage.

At the end of the day it is your layout and trains, you can pull it with whatever you want. All the solutions suggested will cost you thousands of euros, so if a class 38 or a TEE coloured BR218 is all you have go for it. Don't let the rivet counters and pedantics tell you you can't do something or have to do it some way....

Maybe you could get a V60 and practice shunting with the wagons....


So called "Museums-Fahrten" are a nice touristic business these days in Germany. May be next time you are in Germany you do a journey by yourself?

2 examples:

https://www.rheingold-zug.com/

https://www.ake-eisenbah...ristik.de/ake-rheingold/

As you see, even with the E 10 in the creme/blue colour livery, we have seen from your nice layout pictures, you can do a trip in real life today too.Smile

@mike_c provided in his posts very good informations about the scheduled operations of the DB with the Rheingold.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#20 Posted : 28 February 2020 22:56:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Those look like normal UIC-X coaches and not Rheingold/Rheinpfeil type coaches..


You're a bit late to the party Mike, Tom made that point in post #7.

I think folks are starting to lose the intent of Gene's original post - he has been given some Gauge 1 Rheingold coaches and wants to know what to pull them with.

The most obvious choices are the E10.13, E10, BR103 and maybe a V200. Of those, the 55105 BR103 is still available new.

Any of those choices, assuming one can be found, will cost Gene 1500 to 2500 euros, not an insignificant cost and not H0 loco buying money.

My point in posting those pictures is to suggest what else might work. I don't care about authentic accuracy of locos with coaches, I don't care about whether a picture has UIC coaches or whether they are Rheingold coaches, or whether a loco is the correct one painted in TEE colours, I'm just trying to offer some suggestions as to what might work for Gene. This is a topic about suggesting a Gauge 1 loco for Gene, not about the pedantics of coach types or loco colours.

Gene says he has a BR38, BR78, the Christmas loco (not sure which one) and the BR218 in TEE colours. Of those, the BR218 would be the most suitable even though it never pulled the blue/cream Rheingold coaches. As the baggage car question has been answered, I won't say anything about that other than to post the relevant catalog pages from when these Rheingold coaches were available (2017/2018 Catalog and also 2018/2019 Catalog).

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#21 Posted : 29 February 2020 08:29:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
That particular loco 218 105 was painted red/cream in 2010. Museum train or special excursion, but no regular TEE service.
218 217 had the TEE colours in era IV, but lost them in 2002.


I think the 217/218's look quite smart in TEE livery.ThumpUp

It's evident that 218 217, 218 105 and 217 001 all had this livery at some time.

As Tom says, 218 105-5 is a museum locomotive. It is at the DB Koblenz museum. Here is an image of it at the museum in July 2014 (I am the Preiserling standing in front of the locoLaugh) :


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The scales inverted! (but different road number):


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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
218 217 had the TEE colours in era IV, but lost them in 2002.



Here it is in Heilbronn, Germany in Nov 1982. Image by Bahnbilder von W. :



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I am fond of this loco 218 217-8 Wub (but then I am fond of all my Märklin locos!RollEyes )


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It appears that 217 001-7 also had TEE livery at some stage.
Here it is at Plochingen in Feb 2010. Image by Daniel Powalka :


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and here, in company with 218 105-5 :


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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
With one BR 218 loco they tested the TEE colours also on commuter trains. In era IV that loco was not used for TEE trains, it just has the same colours.

This photo was taken in 2010, so not in era IV, but the TEE liveried BR218 pulled the TEE coaches at some stage.


Yes, it would seem that in 2010 the loco 218 105-5 did some special excursions (see the fan crowd in the the last of the next 3 images).
These 3 images all appear to have been taken in October of 2010. I particularly like the first one with lighting of dusk-like ambience -

Image by Daniel Meyer :


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Image by Patrick Schadowski :


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Image by Michl2207 :


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However, as The Big Daddy says :


Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post

At the end of the day it is your layout and trains, you can pull it with whatever you want...


To wit, DB 218 217 in TEE livery was seen pulling a TEE consist as recently as yesterday :


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Regards,

PJBigGrin

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#22 Posted : 12 March 2020 10:38:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
.......I assume the red/blue Rheinpfeil set Märklin offered for H0 gauge is prototypical.


It's a very nice set.... I'd be tempted, but I already have two observation cars and two humproof dinning cars in the blue/cream Rheingold colours. I need 2 1st class coaches each in both in H0 and G1 scale.

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#23 Posted : 16 March 2020 09:15:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I don't think 55010 E10.12 is available any more and I don't know if there are many on ebay.

As TEEWolf suggests you could use a E10.1 - 55015, but there are also other models of the BR110 and E10.1 - 55011 and 55012

Definitely you can use the BR103 - 55105 and 55107 are the latest - Marklin shows 55105 to still be available. I saw one in the 2nd's tent at the Marklin Factory in Göppingen for 1799€ instead of the 2499€ I paid for mine.

I wouldn't mind getting a couple of these coaches to go with my BR103 and the TEE coaches I already have - such a combination is very prototypical.

A friend has the 55010 E10.12 with these Rheingold coaches, it looks very nice. I'll see if I can pull some pictures out of it when I get home later today.


Thanks Bigdaddynz, and all contributors assisting possible consists for the Rheingold cars, comments, observations, and just the many thoughtful comments in general. Its been overwhelming.

I took sick, actually a virus of some sort. NO!! not that current stuff. I ate some peanuts, actually I pigged out on some peanuts like I have for about 60 years. And, for some unexplained reason I broke out in the" HIVES" I was itchy all over, scratched myself red. Maybe not the face, but every where else. Got so bad, I went to Doctor he put me on some on Prednisone for the past two weeks. Now I am afraid of my favorite sandwich "PB & J". Drank gallons of water, and this site kept me from going NUTS.

I really like the Ma 55010, simply for the better match to the cars, and for the reasons giver by so many respondents. But I want it ALL!! It your fault Bigdaddynz, You showed off some additional cars such, as the DOME CAR (58088), AND THE compartment car (58095) that I think would like a cool consist. I have got to go back to the FD and see how to negotiate advance on my allowance, maybe for 6 months or so .

I sure would like to find a mint 55010, they run about $ 200.00 used over a new 55015 at about US $ 1,890.00. Makes me choke, since I have a bunch of points (hidden) for such a purchase . Now back to wanting it all "stuff, do these loks have TELEX COUPLERS. I don't think so, and I probably would have to have them installed if at all possible .

So today, later on I will start the hunt for the components of the new Rheingold consist. Thanks to all the contributors for their comments , et cetra.

Be safe out there, Best Regards, gene Harvey

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#24 Posted : 16 March 2020 10:28:58(UTC)
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I don't think they have Telex couplers, my 55011 E10 and 55013 E40 certainly don't. The 55010 was released at the same time.
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#25 Posted : 19 March 2020 23:52:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Those look like normal UIC-X coaches and not Rheingold/Rheinpfeil type coaches..


You're a bit late to the party Mike, Tom made that point in post #7.

I think folks are starting to lose the intent of Gene's original post - he has been given some Gauge 1 Rheingold coaches and wants to know what to pull them with.

The most obvious choices are the E10.13, E10, BR103 and maybe a V200. Of those, the 55105 BR103 is still available new.

Any of those choices, assuming one can be found, will cost Gene 1500 to 2500 euros, not an insignificant cost and not H0 loco buying money.

My point in posting those pictures is to suggest what else might work. I don't care about authentic accuracy of locos with coaches, I don't care about whether a picture has UIC coaches or whether they are Rheingold coaches, or whether a loco is the correct one painted in TEE colours, I'm just trying to offer some suggestions as to what might work for Gene. This is a topic about suggesting a Gauge 1 loco for Gene, not about the pedantics of coach types or loco colours.

Gene says he has a BR38, BR78, the Christmas loco (not sure which one) and the BR218 in TEE colors. Of those, the BR218 would be the most suitable even though it never pulled the blue/cream Rheingold coaches. As the baggage car question has been answered, I won't say anything about that other than to post the relevant catalog pages from when these Rheingold coaches were available (2017/2018 Catalog and also 2018/2019 Catalog).

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Big Daddy, You talked me into it , I think I need to splurge on the DOME CAR (58088) and add the COMPARTMENT CAR (58095) you just showed, and then scout around for the E-LOK Markllin 55010. That engine, with those colors, is just so compelling heading up a rake of cars in those cream and blue colors. I would of liked to have Telex couplers, and Self raising pantographs also, but I don't have any idea when Mother Markln will re-issue this engine.

I have the link (TH 1553,etc) that you gave me, so I will send a note to them about weathering(aged), new/lnew ,packing(showed minor damage)removal of vat,and let the euro settle down a bit.

Thanks for all of your help, Actually thanks to everyone who contributed to the questions, There sure was a lot of information,comments observations,etc, etc
for the TRAINS OF THE 1960'S . I can't say how many time I have gone over this material, and find something more interesting to follow up on.
gene
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