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Offline JohnyH  
#1 Posted : 05 January 2020 21:48:18(UTC)
JohnyH

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Hello,
can anybody help me to rebuilt this layout from M-track (M-gleis) to C-track (C-gleis)...?

Unfortunately, original layout for C-track for this layout doesn't exist Crying

Thank you....

Tannhofen M-gleis.pdf (1,031kb) downloaded 103 time(s).
Offline hvc  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2020 21:55:49(UTC)
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Do you just want a C-track plan that is the same general shape, or do you actually need to lay track on the Noch pre-formed layout?

- Herman
- Herman
Offline JohnyH  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2020 23:46:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Do you just want a C-track plan that is the same general shape, or do you actually need to lay track on the Noch pre-formed layout?

- Herman



Actually, I'm looking for the C-track plan for this old layout.










Offline kiwiAlan  
#4 Posted : 08 January 2020 00:28:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Do you just want a C-track plan that is the same general shape, or do you actually need to lay track on the Noch pre-formed layout?

- Herman



Actually, I'm looking for the C-track plan for this old layout.



I don't think you will get an exact C track plan that will fit the Noch pre-form as the C track geometries for points and straight lengths are different to M track. This does produce problems when trying generate a C track equivalent of an M track plan.

Offline hvc  
#5 Posted : 08 January 2020 00:33:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Do you just want a C-track plan that is the same general shape, or do you actually need to lay track on the Noch pre-formed layout?

- Herman



Actually, I'm looking for the C-track plan for this old layout.



I don't think you will get an exact C track plan that will fit the Noch pre-form as the C track geometries for points and straight lengths are different to M track. This does produce problems when trying generate a C track equivalent of an M track plan.



Exactly. For example, the M track layout version relies on Radius 1 turnouts, which don't exist in C track.
- Herman
Offline hvc  
#6 Posted : 08 January 2020 00:37:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Do you just want a C-track plan that is the same general shape, or do you actually need to lay track on the Noch pre-formed layout?

- Herman



Actually, I'm looking for the C-track plan for this old layout.



So I take this to mean that you need to it actually fit on the Noch layout? I that case, my recommendation would be to not use C-track, unless you have a lot of C track you can just experiment with. C track geometry is different to M track.

- Herman
Offline JohnyH  
#7 Posted : 08 January 2020 13:51:04(UTC)
JohnyH

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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Do you just want a C-track plan that is the same general shape, or do you actually need to lay track on the Noch pre-formed layout?

- Herman



Actually, I'm looking for the C-track plan for this old layout.



So I take this to mean that you need to it actually fit on the Noch layout? I that case, my recommendation would be to not use C-track, unless you have a lot of C track you can just experiment with. C track geometry is different to M track.



Unfortunately, I have some of these C-track......

I want to buy CS3 one day and use feedback modules.......

Anyway, M-track work fine, but I think that with M-track you are very limited (rust, contact track, problem with S88...)

Offline hvc  
#8 Posted : 10 January 2020 01:05:39(UTC)
hvc

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Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post


Unfortunately, I have some of these C-track......

I want to buy CS3 one day and use feedback modules.......

Anyway, M-track work fine, but I think that with M-track you are very limited (rust, contact track, problem with S88...)



OK - well, it won't fit exactly, and probbaly the K track version in your PDF is a better start point. The central figure 8 needs to be Radius 1 curves, so that only leaves the C-track curved turnouts, and the K track version is similar.

NochTannhofenK.jpeg

I've drawn up for you a C-Track layout which is similar, but will almost certainly not fit exactly. Please don't rely on this - it's just a start, you'll have to make adjustments...

NochTannhofen.jpeg
(click on the image for a more legible one)

Here's the inventory list

Part# Part Description Qty
24064 Straight Track, 64.3 mm 1
24077 Straight Track, 77.5mm 1
24094 Straight Track, 94.2mm 3
24107 Curved Track R1, 7.5° 3
24115 Curved Track R1, 15° 3
24130 Curved Track R1, 30° 29
24172 Straight Track, 171.7mm 8
24188 Straight Track, 188.3mm 9
24206 Curved Track R2, 5.7° 4
24224 Curved Track R2, 24.3° 3
24230 Curved Track R2, 30° 7
24611 Left Turnout, R2/24.3° 1
24630 Three Way Turnout, R2 1
24671 Curved Turnout, Left, 30° 2
24672 Curved Turnout, Right, 30° 2
24977 Bumper 77.5 (+5.0) mm 3

Hope this helps.
Herman
- Herman
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Offline JohnyH  
#9 Posted : 10 January 2020 17:58:07(UTC)
JohnyH

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Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Do you just want a C-track plan that is the same general shape, or do you actually need to lay track on the Noch pre-formed layout?

- Herman



Actually, I'm looking for the C-track plan for this old layout.



So I take this to mean that you need to it actually fit on the Noch layout? I that case, my recommendation would be to not use C-track, unless you have a lot of C track you can just experiment with. C track geometry is different to M track.



Unfortunately, I have some of these C-track......

I want to buy CS3 one day and use feedback modules.......

Anyway, M-track work fine, but I think that with M-track you are very limited (rust, contact track, problem with S88...)

Offline JohnyH  
#10 Posted : 10 January 2020 17:59:41(UTC)
JohnyH

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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post


Unfortunately, I have some of these C-track......

I want to buy CS3 one day and use feedback modules.......

Anyway, M-track work fine, but I think that with M-track you are very limited (rust, contact track, problem with S88...)



OK - well, it won't fit exactly, and probbaly the K track version in your PDF is a better start point. The central figure 8 needs to be Radius 1 curves, so that only leaves the C-track curved turnouts, and the K track version is similar.

NochTannhofenK.jpeg

I've drawn up for you a C-Track layout which is similar, but will almost certainly not fit exactly. Please don't rely on this - it's just a start, you'll have to make adjustments...

NochTannhofen.jpeg
(click on the image for a more legible one)

Here's the inventory list

Part# Part Description Qty
24064 Straight Track, 64.3 mm 1
24077 Straight Track, 77.5mm 1
24094 Straight Track, 94.2mm 3
24107 Curved Track R1, 7.5° 3
24115 Curved Track R1, 15° 3
24130 Curved Track R1, 30° 29
24172 Straight Track, 171.7mm 8
24188 Straight Track, 188.3mm 9
24206 Curved Track R2, 5.7° 4
24224 Curved Track R2, 24.3° 3
24230 Curved Track R2, 30° 7
24611 Left Turnout, R2/24.3° 1
24630 Three Way Turnout, R2 1
24671 Curved Turnout, Left, 30° 2
24672 Curved Turnout, Right, 30° 2
24977 Bumper 77.5 (+5.0) mm 3

Hope this helps.
Herman


Hallo,
thank you very much for your layout...........it looks very good..........and it could be working.....hope so...

I know that the only way, how to find out if it really works, is to realize that....

The only thing I'am afraid .....are the 2 turnouts 24671 (replacing M-track 5137) and connection with the other tracks........

Don't know why Marklin doesn't do the similar turnout (5137) with C-track....what a pity..!! It would be saving time and money ...
Offline rrf  
#11 Posted : 11 January 2020 00:31:12(UTC)
rrf

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Originally Posted by: JohnyH Go to Quoted Post
Don't know why Marklin doesn't do the similar turnout (5137) with C-track....what a pity..!! It would be saving time and money ...

Playing with C-Track for many years now, I have learned that there are quite a few subtleties to its geometry. IMHO, most of the length and angle choices are extremely well thought out. I find it much easier to build complex layouts with C-Track, compared to my past experiences with M-Track.

My two pennies ... I hope you have similar experiences.

Rob
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