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Offline Hics  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2019 15:38:59(UTC)
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As above.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#2 Posted : 17 December 2019 15:51:07(UTC)
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The Awesome Alpha Set from Mother M! Love

http://www.marklin.me/Alpha.htm

Also in Black w/neon green windows and in Gold, with 1st gen "C"-track.

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Offline Hics  
#3 Posted : 17 December 2019 16:07:25(UTC)
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The Awesome Alpha Set from Mother M! Love
....
Jimmy

You like it?
What type of engine/electronics it has?
If it is that old I'm afraid it's not even Delta, am'I Right?
Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#4 Posted : 17 December 2019 16:22:45(UTC)
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I believe it is the analogue motor. I would think it could be converted to digital, as the motor will be the same as the smaller loks of Mother M. (3000, 3087, et al.). I am searching a bit deeper; some others may have more info. ThumpUp

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#5 Posted : 17 December 2019 21:21:21(UTC)
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Alpha.
Shipped analog.
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#6 Posted : 17 December 2019 22:17:25(UTC)
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Thanks Dale,

I figured it might be, but years....and years....LOL

Jimmy

p. s. Hics! Oh yes I do love it! Alpha (Omega?) Cool
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#7 Posted : 17 December 2019 23:04:16(UTC)
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I always had a hankering to do this with M-Alpha!

http://www.carendt.com/micro-la...ing-sector-plates-contd/

UserPostedImage

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Seemed to fit right in!Love Might have to alter the "min. Radius" a bit, but I can live with that!

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#8 Posted : 17 December 2019 23:41:49(UTC)
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And there was this one for which I can not seem to get my hands on the track plan..Blushing

Model Railroader 1978 "A lunar railroad you can model" by Alan Cerny and Bob Hayden:

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"Lunar Base Alpha"??

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Offline DaleSchultz  
#9 Posted : 17 December 2019 23:42:57(UTC)
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I found the track plan for that picture.....


==(=======


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Offline hvc  
#10 Posted : 17 December 2019 23:47:46(UTC)
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I always had a hankering to do this with M-Alpha!

Jimmy


I definitely want to see that!

koenigjpg.jpeg

- Herman

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#11 Posted : 18 December 2019 00:02:06(UTC)
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Dale! That's it! LOL Oy!

Herman: Space 1999 - we thought we would be there by now...

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Offline Hics  
#12 Posted : 18 December 2019 13:28:51(UTC)
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Well guys, I have no idea what are you talking about but thanks for info.
Cheers
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Offline RayF  
#13 Posted : 18 December 2019 13:43:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hics Go to Quoted Post
Well guys, I have no idea what are you talking about but thanks for info.
Cheers


There's two different things being discussed here, both connected by the word "Alpha"

The set in the Original post belongs to a children's range of trains made by Marklin in the '90s called Alpha, and which was "sci-fi" related. These were later discontinued and more recently replaced by the "My world" range.

Some members were reminded of a British science fiction TV series called "Space 1999" which was set on a future moon base (1999 BigGrin ). The base in the series was called "Moon Base Alpha" as I recall.

I hope this helps to explain the above posts!
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Offline Hics  
#14 Posted : 18 December 2019 13:47:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hics Go to Quoted Post
Well guys, I have no idea what are you talking about but thanks for info.
Cheers


There's two different things being discussed here, both connected by the word "Alpha"

......


aaah, ok. starts making sense now BigGrin
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Offline hvc  
#15 Posted : 18 December 2019 13:57:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

Some members were reminded of a British science fiction TV series called "Space 1999" which was set on a future moon base (1999 BigGrin ). The base in the series was called "Moon Base Alpha" as I recall.


Yes indeed. And the object at the right hand side of the layout:

moonBase.jpeg

is of course an "eagle" transport which was the regular ride for the folks stuck on moon base Alpha.

51xDfWxsPIL._SX425_.jpg

It seems to me that the M* Alpha was just made to be on this layout.

Here's an eagle at 1/72 scale which is close enough for the layout in HO:

https://www.amazon.com/A...Space-1999/dp/B00DT32TYK

an and just in case the curious want to see the events of 1999 unfold...



-Herman
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Offline Hics  
#16 Posted : 18 December 2019 14:13:16(UTC)
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In my home country (Poland) Eagle ship was used in an educational program showed around 80-90's called "Pi & Sigma from planet Math".

visible on this video at around 1:35
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Offline GaryTrooper  
#17 Posted : 18 December 2019 19:29:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hvc Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

Some members were reminded of a British science fiction TV series called "Space 1999" which was set on a future moon base (1999 BigGrin ). The base in the series was called "Moon Base Alpha" as I recall.


Yes indeed. And the object at the right hand side of the layout:

is of course an "eagle" transport which was the regular ride for the folks stuck on moon base Alpha.

It seems to me that the M* Alpha was just made to be on this layout.

Here's an eagle at 1/72 scale which is close enough for the layout in HO:

an and just in case the curious want to see the events of 1999 unfold...

-Herman


Don't ya just hate it when the Earth loses the moon?

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G - LGB
O - Lionel and MTH
HO - Marklin
N - Mix of manufacturers mostly Kato
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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#18 Posted : 19 December 2019 01:34:20(UTC)
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Quote:
GaryTrooper
Don't ya just hate it when the Earth loses the moon?


How will I sing "Fly me to the Moon"?Crying
"Fly me to the holographic-representation-of-the-satellite-formerly-known-as-The-Moon" just does not flow quite like the original...Cool

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#19 Posted : 23 December 2019 15:14:09(UTC)
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And just for a bit of nostalgia at this time of year, reminiscing of years gone by, and fun train times had and having anew...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ZqLAnnvfw

Cool

Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays, Fun Festivus...

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#20 Posted : 31 December 2019 23:10:19(UTC)
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Quote:
hvc said:
I definitely want to see that!


Well, it is not mine but ask and it shall be given:

https://www.badische-zeitung.de/...chlossen--102150766.html

Love

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#21 Posted : 01 January 2020 02:36:38(UTC)
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Alpha Brochure/Poster from 1991 - very cool that it is in German and English - must have indicated their intended market spread

alpha-1.jpg alpha-4.jpg

alpha-2.jpgalpha-3.jpg

alpha-5.jpgalpha-6.jpg

alpha-7.jpgalpha-8.jpg

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#22 Posted : 01 January 2020 02:42:31(UTC)
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Alpha track - forerunner of C-track

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Offline Markus Schild  
#23 Posted : 01 January 2020 08:48:18(UTC)
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Hi,

It not very known that Märklin sold the trucks of the ALPHA - line after the end in the Märklin- assortment under the GAMA brand in a dark-grey/silver colour - scheme as "Adventure Truck".

gama.jpg

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Offline Jimmy Thompson  
#24 Posted : 01 January 2020 14:26:03(UTC)
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Marcus,

I did not know that at all...Alpha (Beta) Gama? BigGrin

Also, apparently the dealers got a little promo item (which seems a bit pricey, but may be really rare) in silver = another Alpha-First? (Well after the SchienenZeppelin of course):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MB-Maer...-Inc-Socle-/263001919799

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#25 Posted : 01 January 2020 18:14:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
Marcus,

I did not know that at all...Alpha (Beta) Gama? BigGrin

Also, apparently the dealers got a little promo item (which seems a bit pricey, but may be really rare) in silver = another Alpha-First? (Well after the SchienenZeppelin of course):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MB-Maer...-Inc-Socle-/263001919799

Jimmy


That looks like it was probably the Nurnberg Toy Fair item when Alpha was introduced.

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#26 Posted : 01 January 2020 18:17:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Alpha Brochure/Poster from 1991 - very cool that it is in German and English - must have indicated their intended market spread


Interesting that the black (or grey, depending on you PoV) are plain without the neon green windows which I thought all the black items had.

I think Alpha had been out for around 3 years at this point. Somewhere I have a tabloid sized 'newspaper' that was done for introduction of Alpha, when only hte red items were in the range. I recall it being 1987 or 88 that I got it.

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Offline JohnjeanB  
#27 Posted : 01 January 2020 21:04:20(UTC)
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Hi
This is a funny dual-headed post.
For the Märklin part here is an advert of the time

Hope you'l like it
Cheers
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Offline Markus Schild  
#28 Posted : 02 January 2020 07:21:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jimmy Thompson Go to Quoted Post
Marcus,

I did not know that at all...Alpha (Beta) Gama? BigGrin

Also, apparently the dealers got a little promo item (which seems a bit pricey, but may be really rare) in silver = another Alpha-First? (Well after the SchienenZeppelin of course):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MB-Maer...-Inc-Socle-/263001919799

Jimmy


That looks like it was probably the Nurnberg Toy Fair item when Alpha was introduced.




Hi,

That chrome version was given to the dealers in 1991 when ALPHA was relaunched with the introduction of the black/grey models. It has a funny "original-box": It came in a simple, transparent plastic-bag.

GAMA* was a well known toy manufacturer in Germany. Märklin acquired the name when they bought TRIX in 1996.

BTW: From mid 1990 ALPHA was produced by PIKO. For some weeks (until the German unification October 3rd 1990) ALPHA was "Made in GDR".

Regards

Markus

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gama_Toys
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#29 Posted : 20 April 2022 13:35:22(UTC)
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Here is an updated link to an Alpha Source. Many pages in the index with pictures:

http://al1marklin.free.fr/pages/Mayershofer.htm

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#30 Posted : 20 April 2022 14:15:43(UTC)
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It is actually a design with great foresight of how far Australia has pushed rail technology with coal!
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#31 Posted : 20 April 2022 18:56:09(UTC)
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I have always said that Mother Märklin has been ahead of Her Time! Cool
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#32 Posted : 21 April 2022 16:13:05(UTC)
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And in case, here is a link to the Lok parts list:

https://www.marklinfan.com/esplosipdf/920276_explo.pdf
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#33 Posted : 21 April 2022 20:33:18(UTC)
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It's mechanically a #3000 br 89.
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#34 Posted : 22 April 2022 12:59:51(UTC)
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...with the single drive rod of the KLVM series. BigGrin
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#35 Posted : 22 April 2022 14:50:23(UTC)
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...with the single drive rod of the KLVM series. BigGrin


I suspect it is probably that chassis (also used in the 'Lucky Pig' millenium loco) rather than the 3000 chassis - although they are probably very similar.

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#36 Posted : 22 April 2022 15:13:56(UTC)
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The Alpha locomotives use a modified chassis from the BR 89, 3104 (also used in several start sets.)
(it has no front coupler and the cylinders are cut off)
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#37 Posted : 23 April 2022 00:35:59(UTC)
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The Alpha locomotives use a modified chassis ...
(it has no front coupler and the cylinders are cut off)


No ..... the design incorporates the two cylinders inside the frames (chassis), like many British 0-6-0 designs.
You can't see them.
:-)

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#38 Posted : 23 April 2022 15:04:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
The Alpha locomotives use a modified chassis ...
(it has no front coupler and the cylinders are cut off)

No ..... the design incorporates the two cylinders inside the frames (chassis), like many British 0-6-0 designs.
You can't see them.


It's still a modified chassis from the 3104 series, but a better phrasing is "part of the cylinders are cut off" Smile

but have a look at the drawings and conclude for yourself Smile
3104 exploded drawing: https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/a4/a7/a4a7e0b8831e7c76533f35d1a7f847451434542014.pdf
Alpha exploded drawing: https://static.maerklin.de/damcontent/96/ec/96ec02c98517761081b3f84206bfec751434541866.pdf

If I remember correctly it's possible to use a 3104 shell on an alpha chassis, its clips on nicely. (i have tried it many years ago, probably had to remove the light but don't remember that detail)
Back then a friend of mine had an Alpha, we also tuned the Alpha to go faster. We replaced the anchor with a 35xx series anchor, so the speed was significantly improved and it "needed" the spoilers to stay on the tracks. Cool
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#39 Posted : 23 April 2022 15:53:01(UTC)
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Sort of like Jim Hall and his Chaparral race cars! Pioneers of aero.

Cheers,
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#40 Posted : 26 April 2022 01:57:49(UTC)
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Converted to digital and proudly displayed!

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#41 Posted : 26 April 2022 12:36:59(UTC)
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owidgie,

Love Love Love Woot Woot

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#42 Posted : 27 April 2022 23:11:22(UTC)
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Fun with Alpha...

Verkaufsforderung-89,90-r.jpg

Thanks to my friend Leon for the images

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#43 Posted : 28 April 2022 11:56:56(UTC)
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There are so many other things going on in that picture that it took me a bit to realize the train is not actually an Alpha-Class...LOL
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#44 Posted : 28 April 2022 12:03:35(UTC)
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Granted the 2 guys cutting the tunnel portal may have been preparing for this?RollEyes RollEyes

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#45 Posted : 28 April 2022 13:01:06(UTC)
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More Alpha stuff. Cool
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#46 Posted : 28 April 2022 13:09:55(UTC)
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There are so many other things going on in that picture that it took me a bit to realize the train is not actually an Alpha-Class...LOL


It's how the locomotive looked before the "alpha guy" took it into the garage and rebuilt it. Cool
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#47 Posted : 28 April 2022 13:19:08(UTC)
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Quote:
bph wrote:
"It's how the locomotive looked before the "alpha guy" took it into the garage and rebuilt it. "


LOL LOL LOL LOL
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